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by Nirdgerl

I’m going to make a generalization and say that looking at an image of a random person or celebrity and deciding to incorporate that image into a personal sexual fantasy is a form of entitlement that anyone can indulge in but is massively encouraged by the male gaze. Men in our society have no problem speculatively placing anyone and anything into a sexual context, and this extends to discussion prompts like “Wouldn’t [X} make an awesome giantess?” and the thousands of sizey photoshops we’ve seen since the dawn of the Internet. I’m not saying this always wrong, exactly, but it’s an artifact of our sexist culture and we shouldn’t be surprised when women are less likely to engage in it.

The whole issue of photoshopping people without their consent (or legal permission to use the photos) is complicated because, to be blunt, Size Fantasy as a genre might not have become as popular as it is today without it. Today we have hundreds and hundreds of Size artists, writers, render artists, models, actors, and other creative people producing specifically with a Size fetish audience in mind. Thirty years ago we, uh, didn’t. Individual fetishists were creating for themselves, but they probably would never have started sharing their creations if they didn’t think there was an audience for it. In the 90s, simple photoshops of celebrities enlarged to 500-feet-tall were thrillingly easy to make and circulate, rapidly demonstrating that an audience for Size Fantasy did in fact exist. These days I don’t look twice at most Size photo collages, because tailored Size illustrations and renders exist in plenty. We also have models and actors who are intentionally posing to be 'shopped into Size collages, and those always make me smile. We now have the luxury of disregarding celebrity photo collages and pirated porn.

@littlest-lily said:

It’s kinda similar to how I’m not interested in fanfiction either and would much rather read original content involving size.

So here is where I admit that my autism is something of a hindrance to enjoying Size content. When I first started browsing Size Tumblr, I was flummoxed by all the characters from anime and videogames being shoehorned into size scenarios. Did these shows or games have regular Size themes? Some basic research indicated that no, they were from all manner of genres and didn’t particularly lend themselves to the scifi or supernatural genres where growth and shrinking were possible. It took me probably longer than necessary to realize that the artists and 3D modelers were using established characters from known fandoms because that’s all they had to work with. The fact that their giantess waifu was from a show where no one ever grew or shrank wasn’t an obstacle for them, but it was a constant frustration to me.

For me, the goal was to enjoy size differential itself, not imagine how established characters would appear and respond to a mixed-size juxtaposition. The backstories of these characters was a distraction at best and often spoiled the whole illusion. If they were from a genre where a Size encounter made sense, fantasy magic or superheroes, say, it was easier to accept. Giant Mulder or Shrunken Scully, sure. The Tiny Housewives of Beverly Hills, not so much.

So, yes, please, create original characters and settings for your Size scenarios. Put a little work into how they got that way. Take pity on the literal-minded.

Really glad people are taking these issues up. My original post was primarily a joke, but it also highlighted some of the challenges I’ve had with writing about true giants (and giantesses), and I suspected others might be thinking along the same lines.

Two things to keep in mind when criticizing size fiction:

1. Size fantasy is no exception to Sturgeon’s law.

2. Many people think that writing smut is a shameful or at least unserious activity unworthy of thoughtful plotting.

While I’m all about SW/GT on this forum, some of you know that I have a longer history with the SM/GTS genre. I’ve skimmed through more GTS stories than I care to admit, and you are correct that stories that give a single thought to where a true giantess came from, what she wants, and how she’s going to endure are rarer than hen’s teeth.

It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that for these (almost entirely male) authors, giantesses are valued solely because they destroy and kill. It doesn’t matter if she has no more personality than an earthquake or a tsunami. What matters is that she destroys the world and the men in it. Sometimes there’s the additional irony of being destroyed by someone who, at one point, might have been described as delicate or alluring, but once she’s gone giant she’s fully on board with the author’s agenda of homicide, rape, and cannibalism. It’s not called Conversations With The Fifty-Foot Woman, after all.

Several books could be (and probably have been) written about why some men feel they deserve to be destroyed by women, and I certainly wouldn’t deny the validity of such feelings. I just challenge the notion that they should be considered the foundation of all size fantasy.

The neglect of what has been called the “ecology” of giants is a major obstacle to me enjoying a lot of true giant|ess smut. I need to know how all of the needs listed in the OP are going to be met if I am to relate to a giant at all. No human society that I’m familiar with would tolerate a giant for long, much less accommodate them, and any society terrorized into providing a giant with food and shelter would be unable to provide that giant with any social comfort.

To preserve a giant’s humanity, the easiest solution is probably some sort of dimensional portal that would allow regular visits with same-sized people. Perhaps they live on different planets (although that invites questions about how everyone evolved so similarly except in size). I could see a giant spaceship or dimensional shuttle parked out in the desert where the giant could get their food/shelter/communication needs met, but then wander out to meet the tinies someplace where the giant wouldn’t cause (too much) destruction.

I guess one reason that I get so hung up on these concerns is that when an author hand-waves them away, they’re signalling that their fetish thirst is more important than a coherent story. And that bugs me enough to take me out of the fantasy.

@ThumbLoverVer2 said:

This sounds like the beginning of a villain origin story.

“Anti-hero,” please.

@littlest-lily said:

Perhaps there is an element of it being largely straight men on many of these sites, which inevitably leads to a lot of focus on sexy women.

Indeed. This is what I was talking about in an earlier thread.

I’ve been toying with some terms for categorizing size fantasy tropes, and the most hopeful of these is the Indifferent v. Intimate spectrum. This criterion depends upon the focus of the story, whether the protagonist(s) have relationships that are affected by the size differential or if they are just exploring the size differential itself.

On the Indifferent end you have people encountering an environment that is fantastically smaller or larger than themselves, discovering what this allows them to do, and processing those experiences. On the Intimate end you have people encountering people that are fantastically smaller or larger than themselves, meaningfully communicating with those differently-sized people, and (re-)negotiating those relationships.

Rampage scenarios belong on the Indifferent end of the spectrum, whether the protagonist is a giant or a tiny witness. I’d also include unaware scenarios here, where a tiny is navigating a giant world and unable/unwilling to communicate with the giant people around them. The Intimate end of the spectrum, of course, is where giants and tinies interact over a dramatic period of time and determine what they mean to each other.

I place no judgment on any point of this spectrum. I just think it would be a useful way to label stories and help size pervs find what they’re looking for.

@SmolChlo said:

If I grew, I’d dig a hole in the dessert and hide.

That’s the kind of dessert I’m looking for.

I would feel so embarrassed being that enormous and naked in front of so many people a Giantess who’s afraid of the tinies

See, this is where the male GTS-rampage authors fail; they can’t imagine a woman becoming a giantess and not turning into a homicidal psychopath.

@i-am-insane said:

I get the impression that a lot of GTS writers are men, and it’s as much about desperately needing to feel not in control

Absolutely. I resisted it for a while, but clearly the most helpful analogy is to BDSM, where tinies are subs and giants are doms. And just like subs outnumber doms, tinies outnumber giants. Once I embraced this, it was a lot easier to switch between SM/GTS and SW/GT.

@skysayl I’ll certainly provide stills, GIFs, and text. I don’t have a place to host video clips, however.

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@littlest-lily I almost linked this, too (it’s a three-hour video). Key concept: “Disavowal.” Enjoying guilt-inducing pleasure by attributing the desire for it to the monster and disavowing that you wanted it yourself.

@SmolChlo

@skysayl said:

Like this? https://www.reddit.com/r/gonewildaudio/s/nBZEFsZUan

@MightyTinyGiant Elle has an account here, too, although she doesn’t log in that often.

Lennie by Maria Panfilova

@littlest-lily Funnily enough, this was the first one (!). It was recommended by another Size writer who watched it and was chagrined to realize that his most recent story was actually a gender-swapped Twilight, to which I replied with:

@SmolChlo Lots of horror stories about people being driven mad by sounds from within the walls.

@Nyx said:

I’ve bought so many books and other media based on the fact that they appeared to be giant-related.

Comic books are the worst in this regard. Size differential has such an immediate and universal symbolic meaning.

@shrunkenlaura The original image is gone, but I think giant couples are okay as long as the tiny is female.

@littlest-lily In our society, anything teenage girls like must be destroyed.