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littlest-lily

@frollo Yeah I’m particularly bothered when people aren’t transparent about it (and pretend it’s their work, try to sell it, etc)

HHunter1

Just my 2 cents but,

Knowing how the “AI” is taught I’m not a fan of their art. I worry I’m putting effort into creating something while someone puts a few prompts into a program for it to mimic creation. I know its not quite the same but to me its like crediting a record as a good singer instead of the person that was recorded.

HH1

foreverlurk

@HHunter1 said in Her Paperwork:

I worry I’m putting effort into creating something while someone puts a few prompts into a program

My two cents : I still believe there is value to making it yourself. It’s like saying, ‘why bother painting this landscape on canvas if I can wipe out my cell and take a picture’? That was the fear behind the invention of photography last century, and digital photography more recently (which I’m old enough to remember causing heated debates with ‘true’ photographers).

My take will always be that the act of creating the art, the actual process - brush strokes, words written, clay sculpted - are as important as the end result itself. Art and artist can’t be dissociated - the fact that a human mind and/or body was behind it has intrinsic value. What another person is using as a medium is irrelevant.

I do have a problem with selling synthographies, as it was trained on copyrighted materials for which the original artists weren’t compensated. But if we focus solely on size content such as what is posted above, honestly, it’s incredibly niche - a drop in the ocean of what generative AI is used for, and a harmless one at that. I mean, sure for us it matters, because we’re macro-/micro- philes. My real concerns are abuse of generative AI for media manipulation and fake news.

Disclaimer: Echodeck is a cool dude and isn’t selling his art, or hiding the fact that he’s using AI. Someone shared his work here without specifying (or knowing) that it was the case. So please don’t lash out on him.

littlest-lily

@foreverlurk I promise I won’t go hate on him or anything haha, I do try to give folks the benefit of the doubt. But when I went to the link I hadn’t seen any indication that this was AI? Let me know if I’m missing something, maybe DA moved where that stuff is called out.

foreverlurk

@littlest-lily You’re right, it’s missing! Hadn’t noticed on this one but if you look at previously published works earlier this year, you’ll see they are properly tagged as “Created using AI tools”.

I think it might be a bug with the DA uploader that unchecks the box randomly (I had the same issue a few times)

littlest-lily

@foreverlurk Ohhh, yeah I would believe that. Deviantart is certainly not a perfect website

echodeck

Hey everyone, I’ve just signed up to the site and found this repost of my work, it’s great to see that people enjoyed it and I welcome the cynicism about AI. They aren’t marked as AI in dA because I do the upload stage on iOS, using the app, and it doesn’t include that parameter.

I make these images using DalleE3 exclusively, so it’s basically just a prompt. Until recently the main thing that stopped me from doing size art was time. I work hard, and value my relationship too much to commit hours and hours to learning the digital art tools and making these images - it just wouldn’t be fair to my partner.

However I’m not short on interesting ideas, so over the years I’ve anonymously commissioned a lot of work from artists I’ve found in dA, and these have been shared widely around the community.

So while it’s true that this isn’t really my work, I stand by the ideas that I’ve brought to life. Many of these ideas feel distinct to me even if the algorithms are trained on the hard work of others. For example, I haven’t seen anybody else draw a close-up of a SW stood on her own paperwork, and it tells an interesting story. It’s satisfying a need I have to see these images that I haven’t seen elsewhere,

Ultimately, I do this for the dopamine, and wasn’t sure whether to share it or keep it private. I’m sure that others see AI as clogging up their feeds, but I love knowing that other people enjoy what I do, and i truly believe that a lot of this work stands up for itself, even if it’s standing on the shoulders of giants.

Olo

@echodeck said:

Ultimately, I do this for the dopamine, and wasn’t sure whether to share it or keep it private. I’m sure that others see AI as clogging up their feeds, but I love knowing that other people enjoy what I do, and i truly believe that a lot of this work stands up for itself, even if it’s standing on the shoulders of giants.

I adore this sentiment and share it as much as I can. As I said to someone on Reddit recently, if it only holds meaning for you it holds meaning.

foreverlurk

@echodeck hey so glad to see your here, echodeck! Welcome.

echodeck

@Olo said in Her Paperwork

I adore this sentiment and share it as much as I can. As I said to someone on Reddit recently, if it only holds meaning for you it holds meaning.

Great point! I agree with lots of the criticism of AI and do worry about what it’s going to bring, but seeing my ideas spring into life is such a buzz. In the past I’d seek out artists (usually outside the size community), and commission something that played to their strengths. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn’t, but being able to do the same in such a short time is a game changer for me. Here’s hoping it doesn’t ruin things too much though. If all goes well though, the ability to conjoir up these fantasies in seconds is powerful (albeit a little scary)

echodeck

@foreverlurk said in Her Paperwork:

@echodeck hey so glad to see your here, echodeck! Welcome.

Thanks! It’s great to see you here too. It’s a cool place. It took the opportunity to revisit your work on your thread here, and what you do just blows me away. I wanted to say thank you for the YT channel too - you bring so much to this community