@Olo Hehe. 
I guess whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing depends on what the old ways are being replaced with. Sometimes new can be better, sometimes it can be worse…depending on the situation. But I think we can all agree that–in general–posturing sucks, no matter who’s doing it.
@Nyx Unfortunately, an unearned sense of moral superiority causes lots of people to act like creeps. (Which relates back to what I said earlier about why I don’t trust most of the people currently developing AI.) I think for a large percentage of those guys, it’s a way of posturing and making themselves look superior to other men. They’re under the delusion that it makes them more manly and more attractive to women. It allows them to say, “I’m the only REAL man in the room! I’m not threatened by strong women, because I’M not a pathetic, scared little boy, unlike all these OTHER losers…” I see lots of guys act like this–not just in the F/m community or the size community–and I find it nauseating. A lot of the traditional ways for men to act macho and superior have fallen out of favor over time and have been widely labeled “toxic,” so the traditional ways are slowly being replaced by new ways.
It makes no sense to me how so many F/m people can be so personally offended by the mere existence of M/f content. I strongly dislike shrunken men content, personally–both in the mainstream media and in the size community. It just makes me feel uncomfortable, disgusted, and grossed out…it’s kind of like experiencing secondhand embarrassment. If someone asked me to kiss another man or wear a dress, I would feel repulsed by that idea, and the feelings of repulsion I get from fantasies that include tiny men are somewhat similar to that. But even so, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with OTHER people liking shrunken men content. People are free to like whatever they like, just as I’m free to dislike it…nobody needs my permission to like something. Just because it’s completely incompatible with my personal preferences doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. This is a concept we shouldn’t have to explain to other adults. So on one level, I can understand why they don’t like M/f content and would prefer not to see it (because that’s how I feel about F/m stuff), but still…that doesn’t excuse acting like a spoiled child, making yourself the boss of everyone, and demanding they exclusively like what you like.
Wow. The funniest part of this absurd political correctness is when the AI complains that M/f images “perpetuate the stereotype of women as weaker and smaller than men.” That’s not a stereotype…it’s observable reality!! Sure, not all women are physically smaller and weaker than all men, but not all humans have two legs either…and I’m pretty sure no one would complain about depictions of two-legged humans somehow perpetuating harmful stereotypes. So I guess we’re not allowed to notice that women are generally smaller and weaker, and if we do, then we’re misogyny-adjacent? Insane…
(Incidentally, I think it’s a bit misogynistic to assume that women being smaller and weaker is a BAD thing.)
This is why I don’t trust the people who are developing AI in general. It seems like they expect everyone to deny observable reality whenever reality doesn’t line up with the way they wish it was.
Alternative Giant Exposure Therapy Program, Optimized for Maximum Efficiency:
Step 1: Shrink her down to an inch tall, then have her walk around on the giant’s hand and on other parts of his body. If she’s tiny to a human, then she’ll be an absolutely minuscule, barely visible speck to a giant. If she can handle walking around on a giant when she’s (comparatively) dust-mite-sized, then being held by him when she’s normal-sized will be EASY by comparison! 
(Note: Before performing Step 1, don’t tell her she’s going to be shrunk.)
Step 2: There is no Step 2. (After Step 1, growing her back to human size is optional. 
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@littlest-lily @foreverlurk I concur with Foreverlurk’s preferences, and I’m also a straight man! I suspect that it’s more common for straight men to have these preferences than you would think, although I really can’t prove that.
When sizey content is nothing but spicy scenes and purely physical stuff, that gets boring to me pretty quickly. I suspect that most of us are into size content because it does something for us emotionally (not JUST sexually or visually), so I think the emotional side probably plays a bigger role in this fantasy than it does in typical “vanilla” NSFW scenarios aimed at straight men. If a man just wants pure spicy content, all the time, there are a million different places he can get that from. If a man is a member of THIS forum, on the other hand, it probably means he’s looking for something he can’t find just anywhere. That’s my theory…but who knows, maybe I’m just projecting my OWN state of mind onto other men in order to make myself seem less freakish! [shrug] It’s possible…
@littlest-lily I’d say having giant food shoved into you is less like a yeast infection and more like a feast inyection. 
(“Inyection” is what “injection” sounds like when said with an accent.)
@Olo said in Seasonal Reminder:
Tinies who live in gingerbread houses taste like molasses.
Also, when MULTIPLE tiny women live in the same gingerbread house, they taste like mo’ lasses. See what I did there? 
@littlest-lily I was imagining the knife being at least as long as the tiny woman’s entire body…which is considerably more frightening! 
Me: [holds hands apart] “The tiny was THIS BIG, I swear!!”
Therapist: “Shhhhhhhh…there, there. Now where did the bad tiny woman touch you? Show us by pointing to the doll.”
Me: [instantly triggered by the sight of the tiny-woman-like doll; curls up into the fetal position]
@i-am-insane Since I’m all about gentle scenarios and protecting the tinies, I hope the shrunken women manufacture LOVE for the giant!
@littlest-lily Me talking on the phone: “So my brother is a factory owner, and he hired a manager who BABYSAT HIS FACTORY, and…
…wait, why is there a triggered tiny woman coming at me with a knife?? OH GOD!!!”
@Olo “Satisfactory” sounds like the most passive-aggressive adjective ever. I love it!
[pats tiny women on the head condescendingly] That’ll do, pig. That’ll do.
@littlest-lily I get the feeling that she’s more extroverted and he’s more introverted. She appreciates puns and he doesn’t. That makes her his (wait for it)…
…extroversion olive foil! 
@Olo I should probably clarify what I said earlier, since I didn’t include a lot of nuance or detail. My fault. 
I think the statement that “women need to respect a man in order to feel attracted to him” is a lot like the statement that “men are taller than women.” They’re both generally true, but they’re not a hundred percent true a hundred percent of the time. Most men are taller than most women, but there are certain women who are taller than certain men. There are exceptions to almost every “rule,” and every large group of people includes certain individuals who are outliers. I’m sure there are certain women who are very low on the “needing to respect a man” axis.
There are some women who have developed a very strong fear of men because of experiences they had when they were young. If a woman spent her entire childhood being raped by male family members, I think she’s more likely to protect herself as an adult by seeking out a man who’s “beneath” her and therefore less threatening. Also, if a woman is a literal sociopath or narcissist, or if she has certain other mental disorders (like paranoid schizophrenia, maybe), then normal psychology won’t really apply to her. Those are just a couple factors. I still believe that women’s sexual attraction to a man is primarily based on respect, but I also recognize that the idea is a bit more complicated in practice than it is in theory.
@blehb I’d say that when men openly talk about their sexual appetites with anyone other than their romantic partners (especially if their sexual appetites are unusual), it’s more likely to be viewed as predatory, perverted, and weird…or even “rapey” and misogynistic. When women do it, it’s generally viewed as something innocent and harmless. That’s one of the reasons why I would be extremely hesitant to tell normies that the fantasy has a sexual component for me.
Also, in normie fiction about shrinking, there’s an unwritten rule: people who shrink themselves are good guys. People who shrink others are villains. If I’m a man who enjoys shrinking women, that would automatically make me the villain, according to this rule.
About giantesses:
I think there are two big reasons for the stigma about F/m content:
There’s a lot of toxic behavior in the F/m community (as other people have mentioned), and this stuff is usually the very FIRST thing people see when they discover size content, because it’s everywhere.
One of the major differences between men and women is that women can’t feel sexually attracted to a man who they don’t respect. When a woman loses respect for her man, the romantic relationship typically dies. She will either leave him, or she’ll continue to live with him, but she’ll treat him as a roommate rather than a romantic partner. This is one reason why so many women chase after dominant bad boys and ignore submissive nice guys. It’s hard to respect a submissive man…a man who puts himself in an “inferior” position. This makes a lot of sense when you consider that women looked to men for protection and provision for thousands of years, and the men who are most respected by women also tend to be the best protectors and providers. We humans still have the same brains that we had thousands of years ago, and women are still fundamentally attracted to the same things that they were attracted to thousands of years ago. A hundred years’ worth of rapid social change in the Western world isn’t going to simply erase all of that.
So the reason why people may be more weirded out by F/m content is that it feels unnatural. It reverses the roles, and it goes against what humans have expected from men throughout the entirety of human history.
@foreverlurk Hehe, it IS a skill that can be learned, but there’s also a fair amount of luck involved. The girl who was having tiny dreams was just one particular girl, and the chances of that exact scenario happening again are infinitesimal. Women are like a box of chocolates…you never know what you’re going to get. I don’t always get positive responses to the sizey stuff…I’ve had neutral responses too. But I’ve never had any negative responses, and the response is usually positive. Sometimes VERY positive.
@SmolChlo I’m not exactly “up front” with it, because I never tell anybody that it’s a kink for me, and I never talk about it with anyone except potential girlfriends. But then again, my interest in tiny women is both sexual and non-sexual, so it’s not STRICTLY a kink. The lines are kind of blurry. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be TRULY up front about it, with everyone! I don’t think I’m likely to ever go that route, but I salute you! Haha.