What Is The Dollhouse's Policy On AI Art?

[tiny-ivy]

@BigGrumpy Yes, I saw somebody calling AI generated content just that. “Generated content.” It fits how it actually works more than calling it “art”.

[Olo]

@tiny-ivy “Statistically-generated content,” to really capture the lack of creative agency.

[Olo]

Bumping this thread because we have some new users and the AI policy hasn’t yet been added to the Rules page.

[Marry]

@Olo Yes, because AI is very common everywhere these days.

[BigGrumpy]

in my discord, i do not really have a policy (having a seperate channel for diffrent kinds of ai art would be annoying)
my personal rule though is, if i generate the art myself it goes into ai art channel
if i just find it, i post it, if i know its ai i mention it.
(i am hoping we go the way south korea, did with ai requiring a watermark)

[xformbob]

Since I was the guy who posted AI art…

Some aspects of this debate are the same as 2-3 years ago and some things have moved on. Some people will always see the actual production of AI images as theft. I respect that and won’t try to convince them otherwise.

There are basically two problems on boards and such, 1) discouraging struggling artists who are developing their talent, and 2) flooding the board with repetitious slop.

I only shared what I did (and I have a few others I was thinking about dropping in a few days) because I wanted to “interact” with the community and see who is awake and what they’ll respond to.

I’ve always encouraged artists and I’ve never flooded slop.

I was a collager back in the day and today AI is my collage tool (I wish it were my Poser/Render tool, but AI doesn’t appear to be headed that way any time soon.) I’d say I spend more time getting one image right than I ever did in Photoshop on something in 2006.

That doesn’t mean my images are good, but they are intentional and crafted and mean something to me. That’s why I never post them without a “slug” (a story note that is supposed to provide context and direction for the imagination).

I don’t know how many images is too many images, but if I am ever motivated to post my considerable private collection that I’ve carefully crafted myself, I can assure you that it will be on DeviantArt and I’ll offer occasional links here to the collection there.

My goal is that you shouldn’t have a make a policy because I posted. Heck, if you all don’t like my images (AI or not) then there’s no point in posting them anyway.

[BigGrumpy]

@xformbob
yea, i am working on lore for a dragon themed fatasy series
(none size, and non smut)
i like using it for figuring out the basics of what some charaters look like. (it was a massive fight, to get imaiges for the dragons, that i actually like)

[xformbob]

@BigGrumpy I love using AI for Dungeons and Dragons sessions. For better or worse, in every group I’ve ever been in, I end up being the designated DM and AI art helps so much with prep, props, and presentation.

And sometimes AI music too, though there’s so much good stuff on YouTube already it isn’t worth it to slug it out with the AI music generators to get something you are looking for–especially when you need hours of music. Might as well just give in and use fantasy game soundtracks.

[HHunter1]

AI environmental and physiological damage has been openly profiled. Not to forget how they “trained” it was open theft from actual artists and creators. It’s harmful whether someone wants to accept that or not. I am against it and frankly would hope supporters of the creators in this community would also be against it. But since its currently so easy for people to access I doubt the slop will stop any time soon.

So please if you do post AI slop, even if its only an added part of your work, tag it so people that don’t want to interact with it don’t have to.

HH1

[frollo]

Ai is like a vending machine, you press the buttons of what you want . That doesn’t make you cook.
Can you make “dinner” this way, and people show up ? sure.
I’d be inclined to say, let’s keep it tagged and separate, from other forms of art and genuine effort.

[Jitensha]

@HHunter1 That’s our policy, and I hope people do always remember to tag. I’m personally not cool with AI “art” being posted here, but I log on here every few months. If not for our ONE mod @The-Big-G (I’d be so happy if more people volunteered!!) who’s out on the frontlines solo, dealing with bots, user flags, suggestions, etc, I’d have no idea what’s going on this forum. I’m just paying the bill and hoping everyone plays nice

It all boils down to a manpower issue. We just don’t have enough folks to promptly moderate this sort of content being shared, so we accept it here…again with hopes that they’re sharing with proper warnings that their work is AI generated.

[xformbob]

@Jitensha My apologies to our host then for my AI “art” posts.

As I said before, I spend a lot of time and thought on the pieces I work on. And they mean a great deal to me, but I understand why both in terms of the mechanisms behind the generation and they way people use it, that its just never going to be OK with some folks. I guess when it’s the only thing you’ve got, you make do. I’ve tried other media many times in my life and always come up “short” as it were. Back in the day I was pretty good at making collages, but honestly that still gets the quotes around “art” too.

Based on these comments I won’t post anymore AI generated images. Fortunately I’m working on some story ideas. I’m hoping I haven’t spoiled anyone’s pudding too badly and they can at least enjoy my writing.

[EnormousFreak]

@Olo they’re not compilers, they’re more like linters

[Little Sally]

@xformbob I don’t personally consider AI imagery “art”, but I have to respect the amount of effort that AI users put into it. And if it’s ‘on topic’ and fits within the rules of this forum and doesn’t offend, then good luck to them. And good luck to you with your writing @xformbob