zHEIGHTgeist

Olo

SmolChlo

Another great episode! I really liked that he mentioned sensory overload in size fantasies.
A Giant hijacking all of my senses so that he eventually becomes my entire world is truly the ultimate fantasy for me. Like being reduced to a mere toy for his pleasure, nothing else exists but him and the only thing that I have to worry about is satisfying all of his cravings?? Yes please. I don’t have a care or thought in the world because he is the only thing that matters to me and serving him is my entire purpose.
Similar to what Blue Dream said, size fantasy for me is also an extreme symbol for connection, safety, belonging, tenderness etc…
I’ve noticed in my fantasies, the safer I feel the more mean I want my Giant to be towards me. It’s the perfect balance

foreverlurk

Okay, that Dr. Helen Friedman really triggered me.

Suggesting psychological issues, abuse(!) and a sadistic mother!? I had a very happy childhood and a loving, caring mother. Then her take on the rules of “healthy sexuality”, like she’s the gatekeeper of it all. And yet, Helen, I was turned on by the idea of tiny girls WAYYY before I even knew what sex was… Me, at 9yo, wishing so bad a Borrower girl lived in my walls, not really understand why.

I’m convinced individuals like her (and the spread of similar ideas) contribute to the guilt many of us have experienced at some point. Their approach, steeped in religious and pseudo-Freudian concepts, seems heavily influenced by religious values and ideologies.

I still wish a real, scientific and peer-reviewed study was available on the subject.

littlest-lily

@foreverlurk Ack, I haven’t listened yet, but I appreciate the warning because I’m sure that will frustrate me too. I also had a happy childhood and loving parents and have been interested in size stuff for as long as I remember, far far before puberty.

foreverlurk

@littlest-lily oh, I’m sure you’ll “lovvvvve” her… she also believes that “no woman could possibly be attracted to giants, and that no woman could fantasize about being tiny”.

So basically you don’t exist!

blehb

@SmolChlo The sensory overload point is very interesting. In real life I feel that I get more easily overwhelmed than the average person, especially when it comes to overstimulating environments (not that everybody loves those, but I definitely don’t have the best tolerance for them).

And yet sizey stuff is all about being overwhelmed. While I definitely think that feeling of connection and safety plays a huge role in my fantasy, I think there may be a touch of masochism there as well.

littlest-lily

@foreverlurk Uh oh! Guess it’s time for me to go have an existential crisis lol

Olo

@SmolChlo So far, Aborigen has (unintentionally) devoted more time to the experiences and desires of macrophiles than those of microphiles. I don’t think that’s wholly unreasonable, given that I believe there are more macrophiles than microphiles in the size community, but I hope he rectifies this with the sensory impressions that microphiles find attractive. Being someone else’s entire world, affirming their total dependence on you, taking pride in providing for their needs; that’s what Biggos crave. Precious fragility and uncontested possession; gimme gimme gimme.

@blehb said:

While I definitely think that feeling of connection and safety plays a huge role in my fantasy, I think there may be a touch of masochism there as well.

Oh, there are many, many dimensions to these desires. I once discussed Unaware fantasies with someone who prefers them (I don’t, really), and ultimately I offered the following interpretation: One attraction of being tiny in an unaware scenario is experiencing peril or abuse from someone who doesn’t intend it, so you can’t blame them or think ill of them afterward.

miss-lillipants

Full disclosure, I haven’t listened to the podcast yet.

@foreverlurk got me curious to look up research and published work on macrophilia, because, yeah, that sounds really outdated and unsubstantiated. I mean, it might be true for some people, but I think it’s, at best, an extremely uninformed conclusion.

Professor Mark Griffiths posted a decent blog piece on macrophilia in 2012. It already seems a hell of a lot of insightful into the psychology of extreme size differences. Note his comment on Friedman’s comments:

"However, most online accounts by macrophiles that I have read online, don’t seem to match the psychological profile put forward by Dr. Friedman. "

I know that we, as fans, have enough insight to dismiss her comments (as you have), but perhaps it’s some consolation to see an informed observation coming from the outside.

I’d love to see the results of a survey/study on size fetishes/fascinations more broadly - the few papers I’ve skimmed so far focus on a single person and treats it like a mental illness, which is neither particularly representative or very encouraging. I’ve mentioned before that even a demographics survey would be cool (someone did one a while ago that did the rounds for a few months).

TL;DR Dr Friedman’s comments are, at best, questionable speculation on the roots of macrophilia/size fetishes.

blehb

@Olo said in zHEIGHTgeist:

One attraction of being tiny in an unaware scenario is experiencing peril or abuse from someone who doesn’t intend it, so you can’t blame them or think ill of them afterward.

As a big fan of unaware scenarios, that’s a fantastic explanation of why they’re appealing. I love cruel and I love gentle, but a gentle guy being cruel (even unintentionally) is chef’s kiss.

Although there is a tinge of guilt associated with that fantasy, since it is imagining someone in a situation they don’t particularly want to be in, regardless if they’re in the more dominant role or not.

As for your other point, I feel like the next two episodes may zero in on the microphilia aspect of size kink. Aborigen really took time to clarify in the introduction episode that the kink goes beyond men fetishizing giantesses, and since the last two episodes had macrophilia in the title it seems to be an intentional focus on that half of the fantasy. At least I hope that’s the case!

foreverlurk

@miss-lillipants said in zHEIGHTgeist:

I know that we, as fans, have enough insight to dismiss her comments (as you have), but perhaps it’s some consolation to see an informed observation coming from the outside.

It is, thanks for sharing this very interesting blog post. Love that quote “I was turned on by ‘Gulliver’s Travels’ before I knew what the birds and the bees were all about”. I know the focus is on macrophilia (again!) but it gives me some insights that helps my own journey of self-understanding.

I hope that microphilia will be explored later in the podcast, I know we’re a rarer breed but we do exist (or maybe we don’t, ask Dr Friedman!), and I’d still like some data about its origin beyond the usual “it’s-the-patriarchy!”, and hopefully beyond the purely sexual aspect too.

SmolChlo

@blehb I understand what you mean, my tolerance for those situations is pretty low as well. Put me in a room with more than 3 people and I’m instantly sweating but a Giant picking me up and overwhelming me with his enormous presence? It’s like a can finally breath

And as strange as it sounds, I’ve noticed it helps slow down my anxiety attacks if I imagine a Giant interacting with me. Even if he’s cruel, there’s something instantly calming about it. Plus I am a masochist so I’m sure that plays a role as well lol

SmolChlo

@Olo hands down thee best interpretation of Unaware fantasies. I’ve never heard it put that way before and dare I say it kinda made me curious to explore some those scenarios more

foreverlurk

@SmolChlo I just love understanding what makes other people tick, too… even if it’s not my main fantasy. Simply keeping an open mind made me discover some aspects I hadn’t considered, and explore scenarios I had previously discarded!

blehb

@SmolChlo I always think about this stuff when I’m trying to go to bed. It really puts me at ease and helps me fall asleep, though it’s not great for brainstorming.