For vore fans: what's the appeal?
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@miss-lillipants said in For vore fans: what's the appeal?:
but I could never disassociate it from cannibalism and I think that is a big part of the non-appeal for me. But framing it as providing nutrients, or giving their entire selves to the pred, puts things into some perspective.
There’s another easy way to frame it: it’s not cannibalism because they aren’t the same species. Either the giant isn’t considered human (perhaps beyond it) or the tiny isn’t (because they’re below it). Even if you acknowledge that they’re sentient, even if you acknowledge they’re a person, they still aren’t human… because no human could that small, that pathetic, that helpless. They’re just… ants, crawling around the floor, little mice praying they don’t gain the attention of the cat, worthless vermin that dare to infest your house and steal your food.
Or from the other end: the giant may look like a human being, but no human could ever be that big, could never destroy so casually, effortless, move so quick for being so big, so they can’t be a human. They’re a giant, a monster. They’re a god, descended from the heavens to pass judgement. They’re a titan, risen from the earth and full of wraith. Etc, etc.
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@i-am-insane Yea, I hadn’t thought of it much, but I think that’s how it works for me. I love vore. But cannibalism is super disgusting.
How do those two mix? I don’t even know. I guess it’s the size. A tiny person would just crunch or squish, there wouldn’t be much messy gnawing on bone. I usually don’t envision vore over 1ft in size, sometimes a bit more, where I can imagine the bones would just crack and split like if you ate quail. So vore never feels “nasty” to me and somehow, in my mind, is completely different from cannibalism.
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For me it’s the feeling of being hugged from all around when in a giant god’s stomach, as vore is a fantasy fetish as I’m not into the fatal stuff.
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I only really enjoy unwilling-prey “soft” vore (by that I mean that the prey is swallowed alive, no chewing. It doesn’t mean the prey survives the giant’s body.)
It’s one of my favorite things.
I love that it’s an inescapable act of total domination. The prey has no hope. I love mouth play because I love the moments when the tiny still wonders about escape, tries to plan a way to get out, before the giant expresses his complete superiority by triggering a swallowing reflex that’s as basic to him as breathing. That tension and release, the loss of hope, is the center of the fantasy for me.
I love that an entire human being is reduced from someone with a full internal life - hopes, dreams, opinions, money - to just a few calories. To something as insignificant as a spoonful of food.
I love that just the tongue is more powerful than any movement the tiny can make. I love that the esophagus is a tight, long passage that can not be climbed up again by the tiny. I love that the stomach can kill without the giant having to do anything at all - the giant can fall asleep, and his own body will take care of the rest.
It’s the ultimate example of the effortlessness that I love so much about giant domination. The hard part is catching the prey, because tinies can be wiley, but once that fist is around the little snack, their fate is sealed - and all the giant has to do is eat his lunch and wait to feel sated.
I can’t logically explain it in a way that would turn someone on who isn’t already into the fetish. It’s such an out-of-left field one that I understand why there are macrophiles out there who consider it a no-go. I’ve loved it since I was a kid. Trying to explain it to someone who’s not into it does feel a bit like trying to explain a foot fetish. (There’s one I do not have.)
It makes no sense, really, we’re all descendants of squirrel-like-mammals, we really should not be sexually excited by this when our distant ancestors actually had to worry about being swallowed by snakes, but it’s just an attraction I have. Maybe the human brain is just so overstuffed with an over-abundance of neurons that we’re all a little defective in some way.
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@tiny-ivy said in For vore fans: what's the appeal?:
I love that it’s an inescapable act of total domination. The prey has no hope. I love mouth play because I love the moments when the tiny still wonders about escape, tries to plan a way to get out, before the giant expresses his complete superiority by triggering a swallowing reflex that’s as basic to him as breathing. That tension and release, the loss of hope, is the center of the fantasy for me.
This perfectly sums up the attraction of vore for me as well.
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Power, domination, the ultimate form of control. To have your helpless prey in your mouth, feeling their rapid heartbeat as they cling to your tongue. Knowing that all their birthdays, holidays, hopes, dreams amounted to nothing as they become food.
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Thanks for the responses, everybody! It’s been very insightful and all responses make a lot of sense, in the context of fetishes (particularly size related ones) where power dynamics is such a prominent feature. Mouth play for me is, I think, a split between the show of power from the giant, the loss of power from the tiny and their acceptance of that, and sensory satisfaction for the both of them. In saying that, it’s the same for a lot of interactions between them. So I can appreciate it when it comes to vore, just not engage with it myself
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I’ll toss my hat in: I’m into endosoma primarily, which is a form of non-lethal vore where the prey is able to coexist, for whatever length of time and by however mechanism, inside the pred’s body. To me it’s definitely a dominance display, but also incredibly intimate and it requires some measure of vulnerability on the pred’s part as well. They are allowing the pray to be enveloped into their soft, squishy insides and working off the assumption that the prey won’t dare injure them (ala the climax of Men In Black or the fight with the hydra in Hercules.)
Complete and unquestionable dominance isn’t my thing, I like characters who have to negotiate weirdness and unfair natural disparities and dangerous situations. So for me, it’s a different kind of D/s kink that gets tickled by it.
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Honestly, vore has been a pretty recent development within my size fantasies. I’m still digging into why I’ve been enjoying it but so far this is what I know. For me, a tiny woman, I enjoy non-lethal vore like the tummy is a safe place to hang out away from the world. Also, surprising to even me, I really enjoy the idea of other tinies being lethally digested. As a sort of side note I have noticed I like the idea of a giant not being in control of themselves, like their stomach will try to digest regardless of their intentions. I’m glad this thread was started, reading other people’s responses has really validated my own feeling on the topic.
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@miss-lillipants As
threatenedpromised, on the occasion of Vore Day here’s my navel-gazing post on the joys of mouthplay and vore. -
Many aforementioned aspects play into my enjoyment of vore as well – intimacy and domination, primarily. What’s more imposing and degrading and downright terrifying than getting eaten? As for being the one doing the eating, how can you be any more possessive? I love it through and through.
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It’s a form of very assertive or committed intimacy. As someone who doesn’t enjoy gentle content at all, there’s really no other way for a particularly “cruel” scenario to end without the tiny being just a bloodstain or a hopeless prisoner. Vore (especially soft vore with a description of the prey’s “bad end”) for me is an effective way of providing narrative closure to shrinking scenarios without making the whole thing seem pointless–you can always say that the prey’s death amounted to something, even if you never apply that sort of logic outside of size content where a strict dominance hierarchy is essential to the appeal.
It’s a dominance/submission thing for me, as noted above, but it also has to do with the realism of the world. The impossible nature of the size fantasy requires that we posit alternate forms of relations between people who might otherwise be equals in the eyes of society. This doesn’t mean that everyone should always be a dildo. It means that there have to be other reasons for prey characters to exist, beyond just sexual gratification, for me to enjoy it. It’s not really about realism, more about my ability to be immersed in the world of the story on terms that I’m willing to accept.
In shrinking scenarios with, say, a shrink ray, this is easy; someone acquires power over someone else by shrinking them. What happens next depends entirely on the personality of that character (Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, for example) and the world around them. The tiny’s experience doesn’t need to be justified with a place in an already-existing ecosystem or world order.
In a world already inhabited by tiny people, though, it just seems inevitable that they will be on the food chain somewhere. Even if it’s just part of the superstructure or the background of the action of the story, the idea of a world where tiny people are never in danger of being eaten just makes my brain turn off. Although it is one of the most interesting parts of the fantasy for me, I don’t personally identify as either predator or prey, and I don’t insert myself into my stories at all, and usually not even into my fantasies. I’m more a fan of F/f vore, of MF/f (but only if I’m the M) than of anything involving tiny men.
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@subasubaski Very thoughtful and heartfelt! I think size fantasy is richest when it explores relationships, and that really only works when we know something about the world in which they develop.
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Cannibalism is more like a werewolf or vampire shrinking you to be a quick or tiny savored meal, a spider liquifies the insect’s insides before draining it dry which is another way nature has predator and prey, it’s for survival but a human tribe on a hunt of a mammoth is survival and a spiritual ritual of power and thanks for the animal’s sacrifice. Consuming someone or a piece of them in old ancient days was thought of consuming their power soul or essence, a powerful process of the control of death and life energies. As a fetish vore is that thrill of ending someone’s life to feed their own. Fantasy blood lust has been around a long time. Tiny people just makes them more helpless and accessible for the power thrill. Me my fetish is more sexual and relationship based but I’ve learn to enjoy vore and other fetishes.
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@subasubaski
You know, I’ve noticed some Gulliver travels styled fic, but ones where all of them live in the same world and not separated by magic or whatever, and it always irked me that all three shared a tech level, just… in different locations. And somehow this works. Noth even mentioning wildlife and foliage?“Realistically”, there’s no way the various size classes could live in harmony needed for such development to happen. People are assholes; the biggest, whether the Brob or some higher one, would inevitably dominate the others, treat them as lessers, and the Lilis, or any smaller ones, would inevitably be the prey of frogs, bugs and the like, unable to establish any advanced civilization due to accidentally being trampled by their betters, or pass down information and technology beyond basic, word of mouth communication due to the fragility of their works (we got to where we are through passing on information throughout generations, via writing and technology; centuries or millennia of investment were needed to get to where we are now. Imagine, then if for all intents and purposes malevolent meteors could just… reset a city in an instant? Where giant monsters could devour everything? Cities that could be not just part of a society, but the society itself? There’s no way that they could reach a technology level anywhere near modern civilization. That’d be the world inch tall people would live in). I mean, fuck, even the ecology: either everything is sized to the giant’s size, and so why aren’t they the normal size, or the giants exist, for all intents and purposes, above the food chain, have little need to invent technology because there’s no real threat to them, and probably don’t even eat like normal living creatures since there’s no way to support themselves ‘naturally’ (what do they eat?! Whales?!) like normal mammals.
…I know I got somewhat off topic but this is something I’ve been thinking about for awhile now.
Power is choice.
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