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    I wish there was a term for exclusively male giants

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    • i am insaneI
      i am insane GIANT @TakoAlice8
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      @TakoAlice8 said in I wish there was a term for exclusively male giants:

      About using the word “giant” to exclusively refer to males of size. What would people use to describe people of size outside of the traditional gender binary? Xgiant or something like that?

      I mean, giant, in itself, is a gender neutral term, it just means ‘big’. It’d make more sense to pick a male exculsive term… problem is how the english language works. There’s not really a good thing for the niche of ‘neutral’ because ‘giant’ is neutral, and for a male version, what? Hisiant?

      I suppose you can just to ‘giant man’, but it feels awkward.

      Power is choice.

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      • OloO
        Olo GIANT
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        Trying to keep and modify “giant” seems futile. In English the suffix “-ess” is how a generic noun is “marked” as female. It’s a deliberately sexist construction, assuming the default person is male.

        I think we’d be better off using another synonym altogether or even inventing entirely new words.

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        • DFPD
          DFP @Olo
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          @Olo Thank you and everyone else for a stimulating conversation.

          Personally, I feel that the point about “giant” being recognized as a male term is fairly completely attached to the masculine now. I even did it myself. Perhaps the only option within the size community now is to accept that giant is to be used for anyone of large size, kind of like BBW is used but SSBBW has never really caught on. In that case perhaps we should start saying things like:

          giant-man
          giant-woman
          giant-person
          man
          woman
          non-gender
          mini-man
          mini-woman
          mini-person

          Although I doubt it will ever catch on considering how loathe people are to type a single key more than required,

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          • BigGrumpyB
            BigGrumpy GIANT @TakoAlice8
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            @TakoAlice8
            You will find in most languages the male word doubles as ghe gender neutral word

            I agree with you however

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            • DFPD
              DFP @BigGrumpy
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              @BigGrumpy Yes, I understand and have seen the same myself. However, because the masculine term is so inextricably tied to the gender-neutral term is exactly why I suggested that the only viable, if extreme option would be to designate new terms for all gender and non-gender labels since the non-gender terms have become so intertwined with the masculine.

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              • BigGrumpyB
                BigGrumpy GIANT @DFP
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                @DFP i agree with you
                I asked copilot (Microsoft chatgpt) its thoughts
                Giantor(like actor or emperor
                Giantan(like barbarian or titan
                ius traditional latin male suffix

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                • DFPD
                  DFP @BigGrumpy
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                  @BigGrumpy Interesting. My Latin is fragmentary at best so that you for educating me.

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                  • protect-tiniesP
                    protect-tinies GIANT
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                    Personally, I don’t think the lack of a term for male giants in the size community has anything to do with gender politics. I think it’s just because ninety-nine percent of the size content that features giant people is focused on female giants. It’s because giantess content is MUCH more popular and visible (and prolific) than giant male content. The GTS people have a louder voice, as a group, so it’s much easier for them to coin terms that suit their needs and to have those terms catch on. The SW people can coin their own terms too, of course, but those are much less likely to catch on and become commonly used, because they don’t get tons of use and aren’t being constantly reinforced, except maybe in very small groups.

                    Also, people who like giantess content tend to pay very little, if any, attention to other size content that isn’t giantess-related. If they don’t intentionally go looking for it (and why would they?), they’re not likely to see it in the first place. For them, it’s as if the rest of the size community doesn’t exist…they live in a bubble. If something doesn’t exist in their world, they’re probably not going to feel compelled to create special nomenclature for it.

                    It’s the same reason why normies don’t have a word for male giants: because they spend almost zero time thinking about giant people (of either gender). Why would they need special vocabulary for something that simply isn’t on their radar? Even in fiction, giant people are not common. The lack of vocabulary comes from a general lack of caring.

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                    • OloO
                      Olo GIANT
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                      Provocatively, when Rebecca Sugar wrote her Sizey song for Steven Universe, she didn’t write “All I wanna do is see you turn into a giantess.” I don’t think we need to limit ourselves to a single-word term for “male giant” or “giant man.”

                      All my M/f stories and discussions can be found here.

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                      • AnnDViantA
                        AnnDViant tiny woman
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                        I wonder if the French have a solution to this…

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                        • foreverlurkF
                          foreverlurk GIANT @AnnDViant
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                          @AnnDViant in French we say “géant” (male) and “géante” (female), always have. Sadly, there’s no real single word for a shrunken (or tiny) woman, which again hurts visibility and searchability. The closest we have is “lilliputienne” (i.e. an inhabitant of Lilliput, used as an adjective), but it’s not seen very often.

                          There’s also not much size literature in French, in our folklore or popular culture. Charles Beaudelaire did write a poem called “La géante” in his seminal “Les fleurs du mal” :

                          La géante

                          Du temps que la Nature en sa verve puissante
                          Concevait chaque jour des enfants monstrueux,
                          J’eusse aimé vivre auprès d’une jeune géante,
                          Comme aux pieds d’une reine chat voluptueux.
                          J’eusse aimé voir son corps fleurir avec son âme
                          Et grandir librement dans ses terribles jeux ;
                          Deviner si son coeur couve une sombre flamme
                          Aux humides brouillards qui nagent dans ses yeux ;
                          Parcourir à loisir ses magnifiques formes ;
                          Ramper sur le versant de ses genoux énormes,
                          Et parfois en été, quand les soleils malsains,
                          Lasse, la font s’étendre à travers la campagne,
                          Dormir nonchalamment à l’ombre de ses seins,
                          Comme un hameau paisible au pied d’une montagne.

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                          • OloO
                            Olo GIANT
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                            German, another language with gendered nouns, has Riese and Riesin for male and female giants, respectively. Oddly, German uses the same word, Zwerg, to refer both to IRL people with dwarfism and to imaginary people who are Tom Thumb-sized. And yes, a female “dwarf” is a Zwergin.

                            (Tom Thumb is Daumling (Thumbling) in the original German Kinder- und Hausmärchen by the Brothers Grimm)

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                            • foreverlurkF
                              foreverlurk GIANT @Olo
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                              @Olo Yeah normie literature in French often refers to tiny/shrunken women as “naine”, the same term as women with dwarfism. I never liked that personally, I much prefer “lilliputienne”.

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                              • OloO
                                Olo GIANT @foreverlurk
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                                @foreverlurk I went looking for an online German translation of Gulliver’s Travels and I found this. Who knows what we’ll get this time?

                                All my M/f stories and discussions can be found here.

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                                • OloO
                                  Olo GIANT @foreverlurk
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                                  @foreverlurk said:

                                  I much prefer “lilliputienne”.

                                  German doesn’t seem to like double consonants like those in “Lilliput.” Their words for male and female inhabitants of Lilliput are Liliputaner and Lililputanerin.

                                  I bought the first hard copy of Milo Manara’s Gulliveriana I came across, which was in France. When Gulliveriana finally has her big disagreement with the Empress of Lilliput, she calls the latter a “Lilliputasse.”

                                  All my M/f stories and discussions can be found here.

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