@i-am-insane said:

The giga/whatever male to the normal/micro female; there’s a bunch where the woman’s in the ‘I’m so big compared to them they might as well be a bug’s bug’ driver seat, but as much as I find women hot I viewpoint well through guys

Yes! I’m someone who is aroused by my partner’s arousal - I like to see and hear how turned on they are by the situation. So for sizekink, in a giant’s case, if being large and dominating (“in charge”, if you will) is arousing/enjoyable, then I’d love to hear it; the whys and what it does to him, how it turns him on. This is part of why I like literal giant scenarios - it’s about the giant being big compared to everything, not just the tiny being small compared to him. It’s one of those things that M/m has a lot more of, which I appreciate, but…again, I’m not the intended audience so, it only does so much.

It’s something I’d like to be able explore in my own writing, but I’m worried about inaccurately describing the small but specific effects of arousal on the male body. It stems from having read badly written women (think: “she breasted boobily” and other things that make you go “that’s not how that works…”).

Hey, you know those couple-y trope with a scary, intimidating guy who is no stranger to violence or brutality? But swoons over his sweet little partner, treating her with uncharacteristic care and gentleness? Which causes her to grapple with trying to reconcile how he treats her vs how he treats others? Prompting her to reflect on her complicity and/or powerlessness in their relationship, and eventually having to create some physical distance between them? And when she leaves, he is left to question what is more important: retaining power, or her happiness? At the same time, leaving her vulnerable to people who wish her harm by virtue of her association with him, maybe centred on some horrifying incident that she had been also been witness to? Leading to execution of a plan by said people to “disappear” her, that inevitably reaches his ears? Thus compelling him to go on a rescue mission?

Yeah. Except he’s a titanic rampaging juggernaut on a path of destruction until she begs him to stop.

Good trope. 10/10 would support.

@Olo said:

It seems to me that the basic error here is assuming that one’s sexual desires somehow reflect on one’s social values, particularly if one has a hidden or obscure kink.

I consider myself lucky to have avoided experiencing this kind of shaming that appears pretty common from M/f and SW fans. It wasn’t until when I was older that I realised that the fantasy could be (mis)interpreted as misogynistic. There is undoubtedly misogynistic material and fans out there, but I don’t think the fantasy itself is inherently so (both sexual and non-sexual content).

I think people grossly misunderstand by essentialising it to “big = dominant, small = submissive” and conveniently omit other elements like agency (a character’s or the fan’s), subject portrayal, audience, perspectives, themes, etc. It’s the same with F/m and GTS which can also get confused: I also think it is not inherently misogynistic and you would think exemplifies a fantasy where women can feel empowered. In reality, that is overwhelmingly not the case within the fandom and its content (even mainstream content tends to leans towards the male gaze) - consider, e.g. the paradox of power.

@Nyx said:

It’s the epitome of misogyny to dictate what a woman should/shouldn’t like.

simply put.

Thank you for your responses! I purposely kept certain details vague so I appreciate all of your interpretations of the narrative and getting into your ‘character posts’ Instead of responding to individual comments, I’ll reply with an update that aims to address your replies as well as imaginary replies (just to help with story-building).

This one’s a happy ending because I love happy endings

. . .

Update to I accidentally learned what “macrophilia” is and that my GF might have it – should I be concerned?
u/Oblivious_Fetish

Thanks for your all your replies. A lot of your responses helped calm me down and re-iterated what I already knew I needed to do. For some of you who seem to think my GF is just some object, I truly hope no one affected by MINUS ever has the misfortune to ever come across you. Seek help. Additionally, for those of you who are clearly MINUS denialists seeking proof of her condition: I’m not going to do that for OBVIOUS reasons, but also because I refuse to pander to your delusions.

On to the update. Again, it’s a long one so bear with me (tldr at the bottom):

I put on my big-boy pants and spoke to my GF. As suggested, I tried to be as gentle as possible (because she’s so small and fragile – heh, bad joke, sorry) and just brought up how I came to find out about her search history (I did apologise btw). Pretty much what I wrote in my original post.

She went quiet and was very clearly nervous, but I didn’t push it too much. She looked like a scared little bird. I’m glad that I’ve gotten used to how cute she is at her size because I would have otherwise caved and told her to just forget it, after seeing those sad little eyes. But I don’t think that would have helped either of us if I just tried to sweep it all under the rug. It took a moment, but she eventually opened up. I’m sharing this with her permission:

Turns out, she’s had this…kink well before she contracted MINUS, that it started as a fascination with giants and tiny people, but it became more of a sexual kink when she got older. In hindsight, a lot of her obvious interests have all pointed to the same general theme. She loves Alice in Wonderland, Gulliver’s Travels (only the first part with the tiny people), kaiju films, and she loves all of the Tinkerbell movies. Honestly, a lot of things made sense in hindsight, like when she would suddenly get really quiet and intensely watch the screen when a giant or a tiny person appeared in a movie or show. Or she would somehow find these niche indie games that, you guessed it, had giants or tiny people in them.

She also referred herself as “the Jack to my beanstalk”, or my “Thumbelina” and calls me her “Man Mountain”. Like, it’s been in front of me the whole time and it just never clicked!

As some of you mentioned, lots of couples really struggled adjusting to such drastic change. I brought up my thoughts and how it made sense how quickly she seemed to adjust to her new size, given her interests. Interestingly, she said that she thought she would be more thrilled to be living a life-long fantasy of hers, but it couldn’t be more different. Related to what I’ve mentioned already, she said that everything was just so enormous and overwhelming – sights, sounds, smells (I got really self-conscious when she said that, but she assured me that I was fine lol). There were so few times that she ever looks down at the ground because she’s too busy craning her neck up at something. We also live in Australia and it’s a common joke to say that everything is trying to kill you – in her case, it’s a much more depressing reality. Summer is no longer her favourite season because it’s also snake season.

She said that she struggled to reconcile her kink with her new reality for a long time, and at one point felt like she was ready to drop her kink entirely. She described it as being like finding out that your favourite celebrity turned out to be a raging N*z1 and that everything that once brought you joy, now made you disappointed, sad and angry. But being much more personal, it was also like you lost something that you couldn’t get back. It was when she searched for content those weeks ago (when she accidentally used my profile), that she realised that she hadn’t lost her interest. I think it helps that she’s in a better place now mentally, and that it’s renewed her fascination with it again. I couldn’t help but feel a bit flattered when she said that, despite feeling the way she did, there was still a little part of her that enjoyed me being as big as I am compared to her, and that she often very fondly recalls our…deeds, much more intensely than pre-MINUS.

She clearly hadn’t spoken to anyone else about this, including her friends because she was too embarrassed. And because of her kinda mental limbo about her kink stuff, she hadn’t tried reaching out to MINUS support groups even though she as aware that there was help available. She said it was such a relief that she was able to finally talk about it, even though she hadn’t planned on bringing it up any time soon.

She’s been really open to answering my questions about macrophilia, microphilia, size stuff, etc. And her responses have all been a relief to hear (I can safely say that she is not, in fact, a lesbian lol). I already knew that she likes tall guys, but she’s assured me that she’s not staying with me because of my height (and more so now that I’m so huge to her). Just a happy coincidence. Many of you were right to say to take things on the internet with a grain of salt; despite a lot of general overlapping themes, I’m learning that the whole kink thing is very deeply personal, because I’m so glad that she doesn’t want me or expect me to do certain things to her – no judgement if some of you guys like doing stuff (consenting adults and all that), but I need to draw the line somewhere.

On the other hand, she’s also asked if we could play a bit more into her kink – she suggested starting slow first like petnames (which she already has, as I mentioned) and banter, before moving on to more physical stuff. The way she described how it made her feel, well…I’d be lying if I said that I wasn’t curious. I’ve also taken on your suggestions and started visiting other MINUS related subs (in fact, we check them out together) and holy shit, people are really creative!

So yeah, I had nothing to worry about, I’ve learned something new about my adorable little girlfriend, and it’s been really enlightening to learn about these new directions for our relationship. I think this will be the only update. Thanks again for your responses and, I’m sure many of you already know this, I highly recommend internal and secret pockets for covert PDAs.

TL;DR my GF and I talked about her macrophilia kink, it was a cathartic experience for us both, and we’re exploring opportunities to integrate it more into our relationship.

@Olo in this one, she’s human and he’s a giant who’s been shrunk down small enough for her to carry around. It’s a curse or some sort of punishment to make him learn humility and/or empathy, and they have to figure out how to counter it. He drops hints that give away that he isn’t human, but they’re either too ambiguous or she thinks he’s exaggerating on account of his cockiness.

I’m better at handling F/m and SM content than I was before, but it still makes me uneasy so this first part is limited in sexual content, develops them initially as characters and their relationship and is otherwise a pretty typical “save the shrinkee” story. The second part then establishes that it’s not an immediate or straight reversal of roles. For example, he’s maybe ~10 inches (the size of a statuette or figurine) when shrunk, but humans are finger sized to him at his regular size. Another is that they figure out how to restore him, but they are separated as a result so they’re not together when it happens, and then followed by a time skip of a few years - allows for other kinds of growth and more weight to her reaction come their reunion.

It currently lives rent free in my head so I’m just taking a lot of liberties with elements I don’t usually get to play with.

@protect-tinies said:

My point is that I think some people might shy away from recognizing women’s fetishes because they don’t like the idea of putting a traditionally male and traditionally negative or “gross” label on women. It seems like people are usually more reluctant to think of women as being “gross” or having gross attributes.

I think the core of it is that people are so sex-averse that they view anything sexual or anything to do with sex/sexuality as “gross” or “disgusting” - which is so deeply problematic. As you’ve pointed out, it creates some pretty warped perceptions of what sex, and anything to do with what sexuality looks like. Personally, I don’t see it as a blessing to be incapable of being labelled as a “fetishist”, “kinkster” or whatever label you want to put in it, because it shouldn’t even be an issue in the first place. Perpetuating disparities creates misunderstandings and voids, and we’re all made worse off as a result - from as simple as the relative scarcity of female-friendly M/f content in size kinks, down to misconceptions of what/who constitutes a predator or problematic person generally.

@Olo thanks for sharing. I’d say that this sentiment is pretty well the same with so many other fetishes. There’s certainly parallels with size kinks! It’s a pretty ridiculous notion generally that women can’t have fetishes - then again, some people think that women don’t like sex, or that the female orgasm doesn’t exist. Then again again, maybe I’m just being hysterical

@Olo said:

Social-media-themed size content has been one of my favorite trends in recent years, from YouTube comment streams to Instagram collages to dating apps. I’m afraid I don’t have enough (any) exposure to TikTok, so I don’t dare to try to simulate it.

For me, It’s the relatableness crossed with the performative aspect of social media that makes it such an engaging format. Re: dating apps, one of my favourite tropes is the blind date where everything is revealed.

I have another “post” on file that I’d like to share that’s from the perspective of one of my regular tiny characters. There’s possibly another unrelated one if I get to develop it a bit more. But I’ll pace them out a bit so as not to flood the forum.

@littlest-lily:

even in my imagination I don’t have any interest in being “bad” and deserving of punishment. I suppose I just prefer the idea of the shrinkee being an innocent victim (or it’s a happy consensual thing).

Same! Shrinking (or exposure to/living with giants) as a punishment for a tiny’s misdeeds isn’t usually my cup of tea either. There are plenty of ways to punish or humiliate (in some cases, dispose of) someone without shrinking them. I daresay that relates to my association with tiny things to be protected and giant things to be the protector. An exception, if you could count it, is a Robin Hood type situation where actions aren’t necessarily motivated by villainy: “stealing from the rich to give to the poor kind” of thing.

In my mind, being shrunk or to be put into a diminutive position is something to be overcome, literally (for survival) and/or metaphorically (the situation representing fears, being a doormat, etc.). So I guess, in a way, it’s still a “punishment” by virtue of being who she is or what she’s done, except it’s not what would be considered “bad behaviour”. In this case, who she is someone undeserving of more of the bullshit that life has thrown at her, and she must realise how to overcome her flaws, take control or make do of the situation before it destroys her, physically or otherwise.

@Aborigen you did a wonderful job! It was a pleasure listening to your and, by extension, others’ perspectives

The lion analogy

@Olo

Replying to u/BetweenDesireAndBreakfast

• Thank you! I think it helps that he and I don’t have much contact at work, physically or structurally. My manager is my direct line and there’s been no incidents that have required Big Boss’s intervention. So we can happily go about our usual business in the office, and then see each other later.

• Curiosity forgiven! Views on mixed-size relationships are…varied. A lot of people don’t generally mind, but are still weirded out by the size discrepancies. I think it’s easier to fall into what they’re familiar with - it avoids having to think about the logistics, getting creative and accepting that some things just simply aren’t possible yet (like bearing children, still a highly controversial topic).

• People in the cities are the least concerned and often don’t mind. Most might have a quick gawk, but then move on. Jay and his partner have told me that strangers still ask them inappropriate questions, usually about their sex lives. Stuff you wouldn’t ask a non-mixed couple, so why them, you know?

• My parents tell me it was much worse when they were younger: many couples resorted to hiding the Tiny partner when out in public to avoid being harassed, or worse. Harassment and violence are not tolerated anymore though. I think having mixed spaces helps, it helps encourage contact and exposure. My parents encouraged me to take cross-cultural studies, so I don’t think they’d mind if told them about my relationship. But I still haven’t told them…

• Regional and rural towns and villages are much more traditional. Many are still exclusively Big or Tiny. Their views are very much embedded in ideas of natural vs unnatural, and perpetuated by the physical separation of Big and Tiny towns. There is very little to no intermingling between Bigs and Tinies, and in their minds, there’s no need to either.

• Put simply, if word went back to my home town about my relationship with Big Boss, I’d no doubt hear chattering about how freakish we are. Some of the worse ones might say something how about much of a big sl*t I am for monster dick, or something about how I “don’t value my life”. I’m sure Bigs have their own equivalents, but I’m not as familiar with those. There’s stuff about about relations with vermin or insects. It’s pretty degrading either way.

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@foreverlurk

Replying to u/BrokenByWhispers

• What a great initiative! Sounds like he’s got good intentions, just…be mindful of what she’s feeling. Good luck to your friend!

@i-am-insane said:

there’s this obvious dynamic of, ‘I could do this to you. I won’t, because I’m not an asshole, but that has nothing to do with your ability to stop me.’

Yes, absolutely! A lot of gentle giant scenarios carry this sort of feeling already, but there’s that extra level of consciousness for characters built/trained to fight - as you say, a refined power. I absolutely love that with gentle giants, makes them that much more lovable. Be still, my beating heart.

On the topic of fear and fetishes: first, I hope that I didn’t come across as dismissive by sharing my own experience - I worried that it was giving off a “wElL I dOn’T fEeL tHe SaMe So ThAt CaN’t Be RiGhT” vibe. I also genuinely thought that the article would just be an interesting little primer on fetish development that highlights, I think, that almost any theory from anyone’s personal experience is a valid one. We know so little about fetish development in general: literally all these studies saying “we need to do MORE studies”

Second, to make up for it and if anyone is interested, someone wrote a thesis that is publicly available on the correlation between anxiety and fetish/paraphilia development (I realise it’s not fear per se, but I think they’re closely related). There have been lots of studies that suggest a correlation between the two, but the author argues “no specific link” and, essentially, that it’s a bit more complicated - something we can all appreciate, methinks. There are more recent studies available, but her review of studies and existing theories at the time (2011) might address some of the common questions on fetishes/paraphilia in general - beyond unsubstantiated bunk. Really fascinating, but understandably not the lightest of reads. I only VERY quickly skimmed through some sections.

@tiny-ivy awww Gale is my favourite charming soft boy he’d make a wonderful giant (to an SW or literal, I have also explored this).

I think Aylin’s character helped solidify my thoughts on the range and flexibility of paladin characters: she’s very proud, charismatic (glorious, even) and driven by a strong sense of justice, but she’s also intense, horrifyingly violent and has the absolute audacity 24/7. I wouldn’t quite want that for my main giant, but they would make for some great tension!

@skysayl said:

FWIW I never got into feet. Not as a tiny; in fact, I’m quite neutral on it to the point it might be the one thing I’d be chill with were I in a giantess mood (rare.)

I’m the same with feet: not my thing, never has been. I don’t mind them being used as a device to emphasise the tiny’s smallness (or giant’s bigness), like a foot stomping down in front of them, or being almost stepped on. It’s more of a threat to their life, rather than something either of them take sexual pleasure in. For spicier scenarios, they’d make contact but there’s never emphasis on the foot itself - it’s almost akin to having a hand pin a tiny down, but I acknowledge it is a bit more humiliating.

Ballsacks, though.

@Olo said:

I don’t think I’ve ever read a Size story that dealt with menstruating tinies.

I don’t think I’ve read one either. Not many stories in general tend to unless it’s young adult stuff, but tbf I am not an avid book reader. I do remember Tamora Pierce characters having to manage their periods when training for knighthood.

I’d be interested in people’s takes on how menstruation is experienced and managed for tiny/shrinking scenarios. Would make for some good lore/world building. Some broad thoughts to stay on topic:

1. Business as usual: bleeding as normal (or to the usual flow of the tiny) and is something to just deal with. Rags and other absorbent materials are probably pretty accessible and, depending, can be disposed of or washed. PMS symptoms are experienced the same way. They have to be careful of where they are at a particular point in time, at the risk of attracting unwanted beasties (piggybacking on the bear myth here a bit, but there are plenty of other things to worry about when you’re the size of a doll). This could be a problem for a tiny who’s periods are particularly painful or debilitating.
2. Shrinking is physiologically disruptive: Happens but the shrinking process changes the flow for whatever reason put forth, for better or worse, e.g. the tiny used to be able to keep track of their flow, now they can’t; they experience spotting for the first few months until their body equalises with their new size; they experience PMS symptoms to a different extent - less or more pain, lighter or heavier bleeding, different symptoms entirely, etc.
3. Nothing at all: menstruation is uncommon or ceases entirely. This might be brought on by different pressures, including the tiny exerting greater physical activity due to their small size, or a lack of accessible nutrition. For non-humans, maybe they just don’t have it at all, or very limited (like a couple times a year).