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@SizePrize69 said:

I have this malegaze POV on size fetishism but I would love to dig deeper into femgaze.
I somehow have this preconceived idea that female writers tend to focus more on eliciting emotional responses and focus more on the build-up to sexual scenes.

Members have shared their thoughts on the male gaze/femgaze within size stories before, if you’re curious and for your goal. Not saying that it can’t be discussed again - I’m all for discussion - just that it might be a good starting-off point. We’re lucky to have some insightful members on DD

Re: your original question
I’m a woman and far more often prefer to consume free content, but I have spent money before - on comics, namely. My recent purchase was on Angel’s Giantlands comic that she has been working on.

As @foreverlurk has mentioned, a lot of excellent M/f content is very fortunately made free by authors/artists. I think because of a general lack of M/f content (even fewer if we’re focussing on female/femme-friendly content specifically), creators are happy to share out of solidarity with their fellow M/f fans. In saying that: I would also happily support by purchasing content, so long as it’s good quality, something I would enjoy and if it’s within my budget.

@SizePrize69 said:

Do you think that the preconceived idea that erotica is more popular with women than men is grounded on some truth?

Don’t know if there are peer-reviewed studies, but there is a general consensus that women consume more literary erotica than men. People have supposedly gotten numbers from Amazon (maybe other platforms) which have also reflected majority-female consumers of erotic fiction, and it’s generally understood that FanFiction writers and readers are majority women. There are different reasons why, but it is mostly attributed to women wanting to create/consume content that better caters to them rather than most mainstream content (which takes us back to the male gaze/femgaze discussion).

@Olo I’ve said that I don’t usually like to incorporate celebrities into my fantasies, but a giant Mr Darcy Matthew MacFadyen does have me a little bit excited 🤭 And I’m also a fan of Elizabeth Banks!

@i-am-insane said:

The giga/whatever male to the normal/micro female; there’s a bunch where the woman’s in the ‘I’m so big compared to them they might as well be a bug’s bug’ driver seat, but as much as I find women hot I viewpoint well through guys

Yes! I’m someone who is aroused by my partner’s arousal - I like to see and hear how turned on they are by the situation. So for sizekink, in a giant’s case, if being large and dominating (“in charge”, if you will) is arousing/enjoyable, then I’d love to hear it; the whys and what it does to him, how it turns him on. This is part of why I like literal giant scenarios - it’s about the giant being big compared to everything, not just the tiny being small compared to him. It’s one of those things that M/m has a lot more of, which I appreciate, but…again, I’m not the intended audience so, it only does so much.

It’s something I’d like to be able explore in my own writing, but I’m worried about inaccurately describing the small but specific effects of arousal on the male body. It stems from having read badly written women (think: “she breasted boobily” and other things that make you go “that’s not how that works…”).

@TakoAlice8 said in What excites/pleases you most about this fetish?:

Although I am not either dominant or submissive despite being tiny in the size community, I did felt ashamed with being a submissive. It didn’t help that when I was researching about my fetish, I couldn’t find any articles or videos on women with macrophilia.

I understand this feeling, like guilt in feeling good about being submissive, weak and powerless while living in an already misogynistic society. And in line with what’s been said already, you are not alone and there is no shame in liking feeling that way - it is both a deeply personal feeling and one that doesn’t define who you are and how you value yourself or others.

Personally, I have been treated like crap for being a woman and, with age, have unlearned a lot of internalised misogyny and learned my worth in my private and working life. There’s still a lot of work I need to do to not take people’s shit, but what I know that is NOT part of that is undoing my predilection for being dominated by a hunky kaiju-sized man who stomps through the streets; crush me, my house and the house next door; sit on me, keep me in his underwear all day, roll me around in his mouth; gently or violently - whatever it is that makes me or other women in particular feel small and helpless. Even in RL, I like to be dominated by my partner. But at the end of the day, I want women, femmes and non-binary friends to feel safer and be treated better by our families, friends, co-workers and society.

All of them explained men having the fetish. A lot of them explained that women don’t have the fetish as much as men because of society seeing women as less dominant and men as big and powerful.

I wonder whether representative numbers or stats exist to back this. There are plenty of theories with regards to the lack of women in this fetish (and many other fetishes with power dynamics, I’m sure), including that women are simply not as vocal and, therefore, present. Which, of course, doesn’t mean they don’t exist as macro/microphiliacs, but (or maybe as a result), their views are also not sought after - and less so for asexual, femme, non-binary peeps, etc. There are a few interviews that I’m aware of, but they often centre around GTS content and the men who consume their material. Part of it is curiosity, but the other part is out of concern because, as you shared yourself, it can feed into misunderstandings of ourselves.

Anyway, from a sub, I hope you are able to find some solace in our little forum please keep sharing and asking questions.

@Olo said:

Social-media-themed size content has been one of my favorite trends in recent years, from YouTube comment streams to Instagram collages to dating apps. I’m afraid I don’t have enough (any) exposure to TikTok, so I don’t dare to try to simulate it.

For me, It’s the relatableness crossed with the performative aspect of social media that makes it such an engaging format. Re: dating apps, one of my favourite tropes is the blind date where everything is revealed.

I have another “post” on file that I’d like to share that’s from the perspective of one of my regular tiny characters. There’s possibly another unrelated one if I get to develop it a bit more. But I’ll pace them out a bit so as not to flood the forum.

@Olo in this one, she’s human and he’s a giant who’s been shrunk down small enough for her to carry around. It’s a curse or some sort of punishment to make him learn humility and/or empathy, and they have to figure out how to counter it. He drops hints that give away that he isn’t human, but they’re either too ambiguous or she thinks he’s exaggerating on account of his cockiness.

I’m better at handling F/m and SM content than I was before, but it still makes me uneasy so this first part is limited in sexual content, develops them initially as characters and their relationship and is otherwise a pretty typical “save the shrinkee” story. The second part then establishes that it’s not an immediate or straight reversal of roles. For example, he’s maybe ~10 inches (the size of a statuette or figurine) when shrunk, but humans are finger sized to him at his regular size. Another is that they figure out how to restore him, but they are separated as a result so they’re not together when it happens, and then followed by a time skip of a few years - allows for other kinds of growth and more weight to her reaction come their reunion.

It currently lives rent free in my head so I’m just taking a lot of liberties with elements I don’t usually get to play with.

@Olo said:

It seems to me that the basic error here is assuming that one’s sexual desires somehow reflect on one’s social values, particularly if one has a hidden or obscure kink.

I consider myself lucky to have avoided experiencing this kind of shaming that appears pretty common from M/f and SW fans. It wasn’t until when I was older that I realised that the fantasy could be (mis)interpreted as misogynistic. There is undoubtedly misogynistic material and fans out there, but I don’t think the fantasy itself is inherently so (both sexual and non-sexual content).

I think people grossly misunderstand by essentialising it to “big = dominant, small = submissive” and conveniently omit other elements like agency (a character’s or the fan’s), subject portrayal, audience, perspectives, themes, etc. It’s the same with F/m and GTS which can also get confused: I also think it is not inherently misogynistic and you would think exemplifies a fantasy where women can feel empowered. In reality, that is overwhelmingly not the case within the fandom and its content (even mainstream content tends to leans towards the male gaze) - consider, e.g. the paradox of power.

@Nyx said:

It’s the epitome of misogyny to dictate what a woman should/shouldn’t like.

simply put.

@littlest-lily:

even in my imagination I don’t have any interest in being “bad” and deserving of punishment. I suppose I just prefer the idea of the shrinkee being an innocent victim (or it’s a happy consensual thing).

Same! Shrinking (or exposure to/living with giants) as a punishment for a tiny’s misdeeds isn’t usually my cup of tea either. There are plenty of ways to punish or humiliate (in some cases, dispose of) someone without shrinking them. I daresay that relates to my association with tiny things to be protected and giant things to be the protector. An exception, if you could count it, is a Robin Hood type situation where actions aren’t necessarily motivated by villainy: “stealing from the rich to give to the poor kind” of thing.

In my mind, being shrunk or to be put into a diminutive position is something to be overcome, literally (for survival) and/or metaphorically (the situation representing fears, being a doormat, etc.). So I guess, in a way, it’s still a “punishment” by virtue of being who she is or what she’s done, except it’s not what would be considered “bad behaviour”. In this case, who she is someone undeserving of more of the bullshit that life has thrown at her, and she must realise how to overcome her flaws, take control or make do of the situation before it destroys her, physically or otherwise.

@protect-tinies said:

My point is that I think some people might shy away from recognizing women’s fetishes because they don’t like the idea of putting a traditionally male and traditionally negative or “gross” label on women. It seems like people are usually more reluctant to think of women as being “gross” or having gross attributes.

I think the core of it is that people are so sex-averse that they view anything sexual or anything to do with sex/sexuality as “gross” or “disgusting” - which is so deeply problematic. As you’ve pointed out, it creates some pretty warped perceptions of what sex, and anything to do with what sexuality looks like. Personally, I don’t see it as a blessing to be incapable of being labelled as a “fetishist”, “kinkster” or whatever label you want to put in it, because it shouldn’t even be an issue in the first place. Perpetuating disparities creates misunderstandings and voids, and we’re all made worse off as a result - from as simple as the relative scarcity of female-friendly M/f content in size kinks, down to misconceptions of what/who constitutes a predator or problematic person generally.

@Olo thanks for sharing. I’d say that this sentiment is pretty well the same with so many other fetishes. There’s certainly parallels with size kinks! It’s a pretty ridiculous notion generally that women can’t have fetishes - then again, some people think that women don’t like sex, or that the female orgasm doesn’t exist. Then again again, maybe I’m just being hysterical

@tiny-ivy awww Gale is my favourite charming soft boy he’d make a wonderful giant (to an SW or literal, I have also explored this).

I think Aylin’s character helped solidify my thoughts on the range and flexibility of paladin characters: she’s very proud, charismatic (glorious, even) and driven by a strong sense of justice, but she’s also intense, horrifyingly violent and has the absolute audacity 24/7. I wouldn’t quite want that for my main giant, but they would make for some great tension!

@Aborigen you did a wonderful job! It was a pleasure listening to your and, by extension, others’ perspectives

The lion analogy

@Olo said:

I don’t think I’ve ever read a Size story that dealt with menstruating tinies.

I don’t think I’ve read one either. Not many stories in general tend to unless it’s young adult stuff, but tbf I am not an avid book reader. I do remember Tamora Pierce characters having to manage their periods when training for knighthood.

I’d be interested in people’s takes on how menstruation is experienced and managed for tiny/shrinking scenarios. Would make for some good lore/world building. Some broad thoughts to stay on topic:

1. Business as usual: bleeding as normal (or to the usual flow of the tiny) and is something to just deal with. Rags and other absorbent materials are probably pretty accessible and, depending, can be disposed of or washed. PMS symptoms are experienced the same way. They have to be careful of where they are at a particular point in time, at the risk of attracting unwanted beasties (piggybacking on the bear myth here a bit, but there are plenty of other things to worry about when you’re the size of a doll). This could be a problem for a tiny who’s periods are particularly painful or debilitating.
2. Shrinking is physiologically disruptive: Happens but the shrinking process changes the flow for whatever reason put forth, for better or worse, e.g. the tiny used to be able to keep track of their flow, now they can’t; they experience spotting for the first few months until their body equalises with their new size; they experience PMS symptoms to a different extent - less or more pain, lighter or heavier bleeding, different symptoms entirely, etc.
3. Nothing at all: menstruation is uncommon or ceases entirely. This might be brought on by different pressures, including the tiny exerting greater physical activity due to their small size, or a lack of accessible nutrition. For non-humans, maybe they just don’t have it at all, or very limited (like a couple times a year).

Video games can be such a great source of G/t interactions, although I find M/f scenes are fairly rare. I’m happy to be proven wrong so I thought, why not start a thread and collate some of them?

During my recent Covid quarantine, I finished playing Immortals: Fenyx Rising and, in line with usual depictions of the divine, the gods are actually pretty big in this (I’d say 50-60 feet? Given the stylistic proportions). So I was excited to find a couple of cute handhelds between the protagonist and Zeus in the game (and by some extension, interactions with the other gods who play a role in the story). Players can choose to play as male or female, and surprisingly a lot of videos portray the female option - how appropriate for this forum methinks!

There are some smaller interactions throughout the game that are captured I’m some other cutscenes, but I thought the end scenes were the most significant.

The game is clearly tailored to teens and young adults; cartoonish design, saturated colours, silly script, etc. But it’s fun, cute, and I’m not going to ignore a good handheld.

Warning, videos contain major game spoilers:

Zeus finds out the truth: https://youtu.be/W0LI_1ijKZY

Final boss fight/Ending: https://youtu.be/Ocis84_fBQU (you can skip the majority of this video to final cutscene at 44:50 following the boss battle. Handheld at 48:20)

@i-am-insane said:

Hmm. Unless the equivalent is actually huge, bulging muscles or something? Big arms broad shoulders?

Not necessarily. This parallels discussions around superhero bodies and male power fantasies: portrayals of muscular men often don’t aim to appeal to women so much as to other men. But of course, it’s more nuanced than “men like muscles, women don’t”. I think because a lot of social conditioning around sex centres men and male pleasure so heavily, you may be hard pressed to find a direct equivalent to a lot of fantasy tropes (often leading to false equivalencies) without a lot of de-centering first. It’s complicated and I appreciate the effort you’re putting in to understand!

Personally, I love my giants to be broad-shouldered and sculpted like a statue, but it’s not necessary. I’d like for him to be attractive, but the specifics of his looks comes secondary to his personality, actions, intentions and the overall story. It’s a feature, not the main event. As @littlest-lily says,

the kink is around the fact that he’s much, much bigger. And then at that point I care more about what he does than what he looks like.

For the King Kong and handheld fans, episode 7 has plenty of scenes that may tickle your fancy. It’s a background building episode about Kong and his human lady friend that can be watched as a standalone episode (it just establishes the importance of a particular necklace and explains the emergence of the antagonist).

As a series itself, I liked it! Really easy to watch (only 8 episodes, about 20mins each), good universe/island(?) building, and I’m a sucker for Powerhouse Animation who also animated Castlevania, Seis Manos and Blood of Zeus.