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@Olo

@littlest-lily and @foreverlurk have covered a lot already, but I’ll also weight in. Unlike what the term suggests, it’s an approach to story-telling that’s not exclusively for women, but so named when understood as a contrast to the concept of the “male gaze” and as something that specifically centres a woman/women as a character.

For me, as mentioned, it’s about building empathy and understanding for a character (usually, a woman) as a person with emotions, rather than someone to be objectified. They normally also have some agency, even if it’s just to have an opinion or thoughts in a hopeless situation, rather than some voiceless, mindless doll. I think the “slower” pace is a consequence of this kind of narrative rather than a characteristic per se because it takes time to develop something/someone that is complex, rather than simply focussing on what they look like and how that will gratify the viewer/reader. So you can already expect a build-up like that to be relatively slow - just depends on how much of a burn or detail the creator wants to achieve.

This article is a good intro summary and also talks about respecting the character as well. Re: respect, I don’t think this should be synonymous with “liking” a character or putting them on some pedestal. You can create dislikable, even morally corrupt characters, who you can respect/have due regard for as a person with depth, motivations, struggles, joys, etc. And then you can throw them in the bin - metaphorically and/or literally, whatever floats your boat.

A wonderful and reflective piece, Olo. Thank you for sharing your perspectives - extending also to those who shared their views with you!

I share a lot of sentiments already covered in the posts above. Whilst darker content isn’t an integral part of a lot of my fantasies, I’ve come to accept or appreciate some stuff, and actually enjoy others, without feeling like I’m doing some terrible crime. The older I got (and hopefully wiser), the easier it was to reconcile with darker content and realise that people who enjoyed violence in their fantasies did not always means that they were, themselves, violent or horrible people. I think it’s easy to misunderstand content (and the people who create and consume) when it relates to something so deeply personal; that any deviations from your own interpretations isn’t simply annoying, but offensive.

It helped me a lot to view violence in size content through the lens of horror in fictional media - because I love horror movies. Does that mean I enjoy murder or whatever horrific content is being shown if it ever becomes a reality? No, of course not. Real life kaiju? Hell no. But as entertainment fodder in a controlled, fictional setting? Sign me tf up.

That’s not to say that I’m able to completely separate my personal morals or experiences from fantasies. There are certainly some things that make me uncomfortable which are grounded in morality, but it’s easier for me to just accept it and move on, no judgement to either creator or consumers.

This is another trope I really love in a size context. I think language and being able to communicate easily is one of the biggest things most people take for granted in the real world, let alone in a fantastical situation.

I’m not one to subscribe to the whole “too small/big to communicate, sound frequencies, etc.” except for the really massive size differences (like micro, nano, giga, etc.) - I like dialogue between a giant and a tiny, but when something else like a language barrier gets in the way, you’d be forced to compensate and get creative. Broken speech is usually a obvious go-to, but there’s also opportunity for the use of more physical forms of communication: signing, touching, body language, facial expressions (and reading them). By being so physical, it’s a great opportunity to emphasise their size differences: how closely the giant has to focus on her, or how big she has to make her movements; both the giant and tiny’s perspectives on their interactions and each other’s features.

Like with other tropes, it’s a very flexible one. It could also be applied to situations where either the giant or tiny is mute (maybe both!). One scenario I had I mind involves both giant and tiny being unfamiliar with each other’s language and there’s no easily accessible translator (maybe both peoples are isolated from each other, maybe one is other-worldly, etc.) And they both slowly pick up and learn from each other as they spend more time together. As a point of tension, maybe the giant is able to find another giant who can help, who is a bit more fluent than he is, but they end up making the tiny really uncomfortable. Being unable to understand, he doesn’t catch a lot of what the other is saying, but he notices something off about the tiny’s body language and gets them out of there.

From a creative/author perspective, I think it’s a fun little project. Personally, I’m not fluent enough in another language to make it reflect the real world, and I’m not invested enough to invent a language (let alone two) as an alternative. Instead, it would switch between POVs, with the other person’s dialogue being presented as garbled symbols. The POV character is able to catch the occasional word, with dialogue getting more coherent over time as both of their vocabularies grow. And throw in accents, for good measure

Australia is similar - the laws will come into effect in December. Given the vagueness with things like what constitutes “reasonable steps” (for websites to prevent Australian children under 16 from having accounts), and what @foreverlurk said about the location of web hosts, I don’t imagine that DD will actually be affected by them. But I’m no expert.

What shits me is that it’s clearly not about safety for young people on the internet - or anyone’s safety really.

@blehb said:

Now I actually have to write it.

Would love to read it if/when you do

@Olo said:

This happens often enough that they develop a kind of semaphore, where he communicates through combinations of gentle squeezes on certain areas of her body and she responds with pre-arranged sequences of contortions.

Oh that’s a great method! So covert, very sneaky!

@foreverlurk said:

So, plan B : she starts to trace the letters on the palm of my hand (with a twig or something). That’s assuming we share a common written language, of course. I have no idea how I’d communicate back if she’s also deaf, but that’s a start!

She could also use symbols or drawings as well! Though, as a fun challenge for anyone keen, even the use of images can have it’s limitations: not all symbols or pictures will mean the same to other people, let alone someone from a different culture. So without a mutual understanding, you’re bound to hit some walls sometimes. I like to think about the icons developed for the Olympics as an example - you still need some form of reference in order to understand what they mean.

N.B. I’ve been made aware that I posted this around the same time another discussion on the same topic was being held on Discord. It was a total coincidence because I don’t use Discord for size stuff, but it made me laugh and happy to still be involved in other group discussions - even if it is through the ether

It’s usually context specific for me. I’ve gushed already about giants in armour or some form of uniform (particularly of authority), e.g. medieval fantasy setting, post-apocalyptic world, etc. I’m also on board with the corporate or business casual look. Honestly, a well fitting shirt and/or suit and good pair of boots won’t go amiss. Anything that cuts a nice figure into a fella, showing some effort in his appearance.

@SizePrize69 said:

I have this malegaze POV on size fetishism but I would love to dig deeper into femgaze.
I somehow have this preconceived idea that female writers tend to focus more on eliciting emotional responses and focus more on the build-up to sexual scenes.

Members have shared their thoughts on the male gaze/femgaze within size stories before, if you’re curious and for your goal. Not saying that it can’t be discussed again - I’m all for discussion - just that it might be a good starting-off point. We’re lucky to have some insightful members on DD

Re: your original question
I’m a woman and far more often prefer to consume free content, but I have spent money before - on comics, namely. My recent purchase was on Angel’s Giantlands comic that she has been working on.

As @foreverlurk has mentioned, a lot of excellent M/f content is very fortunately made free by authors/artists. I think because of a general lack of M/f content (even fewer if we’re focussing on female/femme-friendly content specifically), creators are happy to share out of solidarity with their fellow M/f fans. In saying that: I would also happily support by purchasing content, so long as it’s good quality, something I would enjoy and if it’s within my budget.

@SizePrize69 said:

Do you think that the preconceived idea that erotica is more popular with women than men is grounded on some truth?

Don’t know if there are peer-reviewed studies, but there is a general consensus that women consume more literary erotica than men. People have supposedly gotten numbers from Amazon (maybe other platforms) which have also reflected majority-female consumers of erotic fiction, and it’s generally understood that FanFiction writers and readers are majority women. There are different reasons why, but it is mostly attributed to women wanting to create/consume content that better caters to them rather than most mainstream content (which takes us back to the male gaze/femgaze discussion).

@i-am-insane said:

The giga/whatever male to the normal/micro female; there’s a bunch where the woman’s in the ‘I’m so big compared to them they might as well be a bug’s bug’ driver seat, but as much as I find women hot I viewpoint well through guys

Yes! I’m someone who is aroused by my partner’s arousal - I like to see and hear how turned on they are by the situation. So for sizekink, in a giant’s case, if being large and dominating (“in charge”, if you will) is arousing/enjoyable, then I’d love to hear it; the whys and what it does to him, how it turns him on. This is part of why I like literal giant scenarios - it’s about the giant being big compared to everything, not just the tiny being small compared to him. It’s one of those things that M/m has a lot more of, which I appreciate, but…again, I’m not the intended audience so, it only does so much.

It’s something I’d like to be able explore in my own writing, but I’m worried about inaccurately describing the small but specific effects of arousal on the male body. It stems from having read badly written women (think: “she breasted boobily” and other things that make you go “that’s not how that works…”).

Hey, you know those couple-y trope with a scary, intimidating guy who is no stranger to violence or brutality? But swoons over his sweet little partner, treating her with uncharacteristic care and gentleness? Which causes her to grapple with trying to reconcile how he treats her vs how he treats others? Prompting her to reflect on her complicity and/or powerlessness in their relationship, and eventually having to create some physical distance between them? And when she leaves, he is left to question what is more important: retaining power, or her happiness? At the same time, leaving her vulnerable to people who wish her harm by virtue of her association with him, maybe centred on some horrifying incident that she had been also been witness to? Leading to execution of a plan by said people to “disappear” her, that inevitably reaches his ears? Thus compelling him to go on a rescue mission?

Yeah. Except he’s a titanic rampaging juggernaut on a path of destruction until she begs him to stop.

Good trope. 10/10 would support.

Thank you for your responses! I purposely kept certain details vague so I appreciate all of your interpretations of the narrative and getting into your ‘character posts’ Instead of responding to individual comments, I’ll reply with an update that aims to address your replies as well as imaginary replies (just to help with story-building).

This one’s a happy ending because I love happy endings

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Update to I accidentally learned what “macrophilia” is and that my GF might have it – should I be concerned?
u/Oblivious_Fetish

Thanks for your all your replies. A lot of your responses helped calm me down and re-iterated what I already knew I needed to do. For some of you who seem to think my GF is just some object, I truly hope no one affected by MINUS ever has the misfortune to ever come across you. Seek help. Additionally, for those of you who are clearly MINUS denialists seeking proof of her condition: I’m not going to do that for OBVIOUS reasons, but also because I refuse to pander to your delusions.

On to the update. Again, it’s a long one so bear with me (tldr at the bottom):

I put on my big-boy pants and spoke to my GF. As suggested, I tried to be as gentle as possible (because she’s so small and fragile – heh, bad joke, sorry) and just brought up how I came to find out about her search history (I did apologise btw). Pretty much what I wrote in my original post.

She went quiet and was very clearly nervous, but I didn’t push it too much. She looked like a scared little bird. I’m glad that I’ve gotten used to how cute she is at her size because I would have otherwise caved and told her to just forget it, after seeing those sad little eyes. But I don’t think that would have helped either of us if I just tried to sweep it all under the rug. It took a moment, but she eventually opened up. I’m sharing this with her permission:

Turns out, she’s had this…kink well before she contracted MINUS, that it started as a fascination with giants and tiny people, but it became more of a sexual kink when she got older. In hindsight, a lot of her obvious interests have all pointed to the same general theme. She loves Alice in Wonderland, Gulliver’s Travels (only the first part with the tiny people), kaiju films, and she loves all of the Tinkerbell movies. Honestly, a lot of things made sense in hindsight, like when she would suddenly get really quiet and intensely watch the screen when a giant or a tiny person appeared in a movie or show. Or she would somehow find these niche indie games that, you guessed it, had giants or tiny people in them.

She also referred herself as “the Jack to my beanstalk”, or my “Thumbelina” and calls me her “Man Mountain”. Like, it’s been in front of me the whole time and it just never clicked!

As some of you mentioned, lots of couples really struggled adjusting to such drastic change. I brought up my thoughts and how it made sense how quickly she seemed to adjust to her new size, given her interests. Interestingly, she said that she thought she would be more thrilled to be living a life-long fantasy of hers, but it couldn’t be more different. Related to what I’ve mentioned already, she said that everything was just so enormous and overwhelming – sights, sounds, smells (I got really self-conscious when she said that, but she assured me that I was fine lol). There were so few times that she ever looks down at the ground because she’s too busy craning her neck up at something. We also live in Australia and it’s a common joke to say that everything is trying to kill you – in her case, it’s a much more depressing reality. Summer is no longer her favourite season because it’s also snake season.

She said that she struggled to reconcile her kink with her new reality for a long time, and at one point felt like she was ready to drop her kink entirely. She described it as being like finding out that your favourite celebrity turned out to be a raging N*z1 and that everything that once brought you joy, now made you disappointed, sad and angry. But being much more personal, it was also like you lost something that you couldn’t get back. It was when she searched for content those weeks ago (when she accidentally used my profile), that she realised that she hadn’t lost her interest. I think it helps that she’s in a better place now mentally, and that it’s renewed her fascination with it again. I couldn’t help but feel a bit flattered when she said that, despite feeling the way she did, there was still a little part of her that enjoyed me being as big as I am compared to her, and that she often very fondly recalls our…deeds, much more intensely than pre-MINUS.

She clearly hadn’t spoken to anyone else about this, including her friends because she was too embarrassed. And because of her kinda mental limbo about her kink stuff, she hadn’t tried reaching out to MINUS support groups even though she as aware that there was help available. She said it was such a relief that she was able to finally talk about it, even though she hadn’t planned on bringing it up any time soon.

She’s been really open to answering my questions about macrophilia, microphilia, size stuff, etc. And her responses have all been a relief to hear (I can safely say that she is not, in fact, a lesbian lol). I already knew that she likes tall guys, but she’s assured me that she’s not staying with me because of my height (and more so now that I’m so huge to her). Just a happy coincidence. Many of you were right to say to take things on the internet with a grain of salt; despite a lot of general overlapping themes, I’m learning that the whole kink thing is very deeply personal, because I’m so glad that she doesn’t want me or expect me to do certain things to her – no judgement if some of you guys like doing stuff (consenting adults and all that), but I need to draw the line somewhere.

On the other hand, she’s also asked if we could play a bit more into her kink – she suggested starting slow first like petnames (which she already has, as I mentioned) and banter, before moving on to more physical stuff. The way she described how it made her feel, well…I’d be lying if I said that I wasn’t curious. I’ve also taken on your suggestions and started visiting other MINUS related subs (in fact, we check them out together) and holy shit, people are really creative!

So yeah, I had nothing to worry about, I’ve learned something new about my adorable little girlfriend, and it’s been really enlightening to learn about these new directions for our relationship. I think this will be the only update. Thanks again for your responses and, I’m sure many of you already know this, I highly recommend internal and secret pockets for covert PDAs.

TL;DR my GF and I talked about her macrophilia kink, it was a cathartic experience for us both, and we’re exploring opportunities to integrate it more into our relationship.

Video games can be such a great source of G/t interactions, although I find M/f scenes are fairly rare. I’m happy to be proven wrong so I thought, why not start a thread and collate some of them?

During my recent Covid quarantine, I finished playing Immortals: Fenyx Rising and, in line with usual depictions of the divine, the gods are actually pretty big in this (I’d say 50-60 feet? Given the stylistic proportions). So I was excited to find a couple of cute handhelds between the protagonist and Zeus in the game (and by some extension, interactions with the other gods who play a role in the story). Players can choose to play as male or female, and surprisingly a lot of videos portray the female option - how appropriate for this forum methinks!

There are some smaller interactions throughout the game that are captured I’m some other cutscenes, but I thought the end scenes were the most significant.

The game is clearly tailored to teens and young adults; cartoonish design, saturated colours, silly script, etc. But it’s fun, cute, and I’m not going to ignore a good handheld.

Warning, videos contain major game spoilers:

Zeus finds out the truth: https://youtu.be/W0LI_1ijKZY

Final boss fight/Ending: https://youtu.be/Ocis84_fBQU (you can skip the majority of this video to final cutscene at 44:50 following the boss battle. Handheld at 48:20)

@Olo in this one, she’s human and he’s a giant who’s been shrunk down small enough for her to carry around. It’s a curse or some sort of punishment to make him learn humility and/or empathy, and they have to figure out how to counter it. He drops hints that give away that he isn’t human, but they’re either too ambiguous or she thinks he’s exaggerating on account of his cockiness.

I’m better at handling F/m and SM content than I was before, but it still makes me uneasy so this first part is limited in sexual content, develops them initially as characters and their relationship and is otherwise a pretty typical “save the shrinkee” story. The second part then establishes that it’s not an immediate or straight reversal of roles. For example, he’s maybe ~10 inches (the size of a statuette or figurine) when shrunk, but humans are finger sized to him at his regular size. Another is that they figure out how to restore him, but they are separated as a result so they’re not together when it happens, and then followed by a time skip of a few years - allows for other kinds of growth and more weight to her reaction come their reunion.

It currently lives rent free in my head so I’m just taking a lot of liberties with elements I don’t usually get to play with.

@Olo said:

Social-media-themed size content has been one of my favorite trends in recent years, from YouTube comment streams to Instagram collages to dating apps. I’m afraid I don’t have enough (any) exposure to TikTok, so I don’t dare to try to simulate it.

For me, It’s the relatableness crossed with the performative aspect of social media that makes it such an engaging format. Re: dating apps, one of my favourite tropes is the blind date where everything is revealed.

I have another “post” on file that I’d like to share that’s from the perspective of one of my regular tiny characters. There’s possibly another unrelated one if I get to develop it a bit more. But I’ll pace them out a bit so as not to flood the forum.

For the King Kong and handheld fans, episode 7 has plenty of scenes that may tickle your fancy. It’s a background building episode about Kong and his human lady friend that can be watched as a standalone episode (it just establishes the importance of a particular necklace and explains the emergence of the antagonist).

As a series itself, I liked it! Really easy to watch (only 8 episodes, about 20mins each), good universe/island(?) building, and I’m a sucker for Powerhouse Animation who also animated Castlevania, Seis Manos and Blood of Zeus.

@littlest-lily:

even in my imagination I don’t have any interest in being “bad” and deserving of punishment. I suppose I just prefer the idea of the shrinkee being an innocent victim (or it’s a happy consensual thing).

Same! Shrinking (or exposure to/living with giants) as a punishment for a tiny’s misdeeds isn’t usually my cup of tea either. There are plenty of ways to punish or humiliate (in some cases, dispose of) someone without shrinking them. I daresay that relates to my association with tiny things to be protected and giant things to be the protector. An exception, if you could count it, is a Robin Hood type situation where actions aren’t necessarily motivated by villainy: “stealing from the rich to give to the poor kind” of thing.

In my mind, being shrunk or to be put into a diminutive position is something to be overcome, literally (for survival) and/or metaphorically (the situation representing fears, being a doormat, etc.). So I guess, in a way, it’s still a “punishment” by virtue of being who she is or what she’s done, except it’s not what would be considered “bad behaviour”. In this case, who she is someone undeserving of more of the bullshit that life has thrown at her, and she must realise how to overcome her flaws, take control or make do of the situation before it destroys her, physically or otherwise.