Why do you want to be shrunk?
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So, I’ve been pondering some story ideas for awhile, but I’ve realized I don’t understand something on a fundamental level, something that’s holding me back from lighter content: ladies, why do you want to be shrunk?
It’s just I need to understand a character’s major motivations to write them well, and I don’t get that. I get it as, like, a means to an end: hot person wants you to shrink (which I get intellectually but only see it in SM content, and don’t get the pull of doing it for a man, though I can get the logic), or it’s to save your life, or your family, or maybe you want to be partake in the never ending orgy of being part of in the lonely and somewhat bored shrunken harem of a giant big enough and with enough other bodies to easily lose track of you in the crowd (which is something I’m exploring in a few different flavors).
I can figure out how a SW might use being an SW, and maybe even enjoy parts of it (a cupcake big enough to sleep on!), but so much of my SW logic process revolves around a fight for control against the reality of the situation: use the Big for protection from the world. Make the Big like you so they don’t abandon you. Make the Big want you so they don’t hurt you. Bully a smaller SW so you feel big for awhile.
All of that tracks. But clearly, there’s an element of pleasure to it, something that makes people go, ‘I’m fine giving up my ability to actively do what I want, and instead give my life and death into the hands and involuntary movements of someone else’, or even just ‘all of that happened to me and it’s actually super hot!’
What am I missing?
Power is choice.
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This is also a question I’ve explored in therapy with some manner of lucidity, so I’ll offer my personal psychoanalysis as a response.
Without going into uncomfortable detail, I’m a CSA survivor who used to dissociate during unwanted physical contact. Dissociation can feel different depending on the individual but in my case it was rather out of body. I had particular places I could fixate on and those places were often only accessible to something mouse-sized, like under a dresser or a crack between furniture or appliances. So dissociation often put me in these spots, where I felt unseen and safe. I was just some mouse on the floor, not the girl across the room staring blankly at it to get through the next few minutes.
So for me this is two things when not in a sexual context: trust and safety. My therapist suggested that I had reassociated meaning and identity to my dissociated self (my small self) and that meaning was basically “small, unseen = safe”. This redefinition persisted even after I learned to manage that symptom.
The other half of this probably came about later, but my need for a trusted adult relationship overlapped with the need to feel unperceived. It sounds contradictory. However, I find there’s a sweet spot there- if I’m hidden from the world, I feel safe. Now slot in someone I actually do trust to shield and keep me hidden and secret, it pushes all the right buttons.
All said above, I value more one-on-one interactions. A fantasy for me is never being shrunk on a bus, or in a club, or being shared with a group of giants. I want and need one special giant I can trust entirely and will hide me in his pockets when I feel overwhelmed. These intimate encounters fill my heart with something I just can’t replicate any other way. The only truly safe state of being is being tiny and out of sight.
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@i-am-insane
Why do I want to shrink? Because I have a fascination with it, and a fetish for it.I’d rather not psychoanalyze my own pull towards this fetish, because it runs the risk of me overthinking myself away from my sexuality. There is some sexual trauma in my past, but I don’t think it’s tied specifically to my macro/microphilia, because I experienced size fascination in a platonic way before I had anything like sexual or romantic desires.
What I like about shrinking, in general, is the same as what I love about giants: the feeling of being in direct contact with a being so much more powerful than myself. Being overwhelmed. Being outmatched. Feeling awe towards the giant. Big is beautiful, big is majestic, big is almost divine. Big barely has to put any effort towards actions that would take me all day.
Is the giant careful or careless? Kind or cruel? I love both for the same reason: the power of both is overwhelming, and it is a privilege to be able to commune with it in any way.
I do prefer giants compared to being shrunk, but shrinking has a secrecy and a quiet to it that fits more easily into stories , especially about the modern era. An undiscovered giant might live in the middle of the mountains in a medieval fantasy story. But only shrinking lets a giant / tiny interaction happen easily in anonymity in the modern world. Incredible things can happen behind closed doors. Your neighbor or your boss can become a god to you.
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@skysayl that was very sweet and very sad thanks for sharing
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@i-am-insane I think for a lot of us there might be an important distinction to make here. Are you asking us why we find the fantasy appealing? Or are you asking why a a character in a story might want to actually shrink?
Because for me, I could tell you all the reasons I love the idea of being tiny, but a lot of it works much much better in fantasy than it works in reality. The fluff stuff might transfer over (like the idea of being comforted and protected and cared for by a giant, that sounds pretty good IRL). I could go on and on about that if you like~
But a big part of my kink side is being dominated - someone else making me smaller and smaller and having their fun with me. The loss of control and the fear itself play a big role for me in that fantasy - but of course, that doesn’t mean I want to be violated in real life. So for a character in a story, I’m not sure that kind of motivation would necessarily work? I suppose you could have a character who has a size kink and so is curious to explore that if she gets the opportunity (and either it’s all sweet and consensual, or she gets in over her head). But if you’re wanting to write a character who doesn’t have the size fixation to begin with but still wants to get small in the story, that might affect her motivations.
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…Both, actually.I not looking for a specific thing, per say, I’m looking for a bunch of realistic examples I can use as a base to work with. More than that, I know enough to guess that using porn as a, ‘this is totally how people actually think’ logic is… kinda dumb, especially since I know a lot of porn is made to appeal to men, so I want to ask actual women who actually like this, because while I want what I write to appeal to myself, a man, it doesn’t mean I don’t care if they’re realistic, either.
Example being, the story I’m ruminating on has a man accidental shrink his girlfriend, there’s some big looming that happens at first (BIG looming, she’s micro), he saves her from a thing, unshrinks her… only partially at first, and kind plays with her for awhile, before completely unshrinking her.
Next day, she wants to go again. And from my perspective, I find that hot, I get why he’d like that, etc, but why does she like that? Does she like him having so much power? Does she like losing power? (which, low key, I knew was a thing but until the confirmation in this thread I was doubting myself on.) Is it the gimmick in the story that makes her so interested?
Because the point is she’s just as into it as he is, and I don’t want to project my desires.
Power is choice.
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@i-am-insane I am curious about that because have struggled to make it work in any of my scenarios. I’ve always loved the idea of a woman being shrunk (accidental or not, against her will) and going through this terryfing experience, yet finding… something incredibly alluring (freeing?) about being tiny and powerless that she never suspected beforehand (i.e. she doesn’t have a size kink per se)
Some people told me this is Stockholm syndrome with a coat of paint, and maybe they are right. Point is, I can’t help but project my own desires when I create scenarios, especially when I self-insert (which is >95% of the time). How I wish the girl I shrank would magically come around and see things my way? Much easier when I can pretend I’m not really a monster hehe
In my case I settled for hints that she might be into it… never laying it bare but giving subtles clues that she’s considering it, and might be discovering something about herself.
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Intellectually, I think I get it, it’s just… well. I’m a white guy in the US who is trying to actively pay attention to things; at this point I’ve spent a significant portion of my life actively questioning my desires, the morality of them, and what women actually like, and so on; I’ve spent a lot of time struggling with the puritain style programing in almost all media I consume.
Like. Shit is stressful these days, and a lot of people want to be taken away from having to be concerned about things. A vacation from their lives… like if they’re kept in a well provided hamster cage.
Power is hot. That is a universal thing. Competency and the like, women in well pressed suits or whatever, all follow from that. The thing is I’ve realized is that there seems to be two kinds of it: ‘I want that power, because that is hot’, or ‘I want to fuck that power, because it’s hot’. Where you fall in that spectrum, and in what situations, comes down to your specific desires, I think ( I think a woman who can take charge and run a corporation or group or what not with an iron fist is pretty hot, but I want to be the one who steps on a city, I don’t want anyone else to. I want actual physical power over others, but I don’t desire control over others as much, and perfectly happy being told what to do, within reason, and especially if it’s a hot women doing it. There’s all sorts of flavors to this.)
Like, hell. A couple of days ago I was talking to someone on discord and after I said I always wanted to be the giant monster, she said she wanted to be with the giant monster. Monster fucking, honestly, is basically a step below wanting to be fucked by a giant in a lot of ways, because it features that same kind of power disparity, that you can dominate someone so completely without any props or advantages needed.
So, I know there are women who like this, in all sorts of ways, but there’s so many messages telling me otherwise I thought it would be nice to get it reinforced by actual women that, yes, they actually do like this shit, you know? Beyond that, awhile ago I posted my story on the SW section of GTS world (before I lost my account there, like, three different times, so I think my name on that site is literally ‘i’ now, which is one of the main reasons I never updated there), but someone commented that it felt weird that the SW did a thing, fucked and dominated the smaller SWs, while in my head that made perfect sense because she was trying to feel, even for a moment, like she was in control, and being able to push them around and toy with them made her feel strong. But like. Does that actually make sense??? The doubt really kicks in sometimes.
Side note, but I’m pretty sure Stockholm syndrome was disproved, because the robbers were relatively normal people, and the police were such assholes the people ‘afflicted’ just didn’t want to help them.
Power is choice.
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@i-am-insane said:
Side note, but I’m pretty sure Stockholm syndrome was disproved, because the robbers were relatively normal people, and the police were such assholes the people ‘afflicted’ just didn’t want to help them.
This is correct. The police were incompetent and endangered the lives of the hostages, and afterwards one of the hostages (a woman) told reporters “At least the robbers expressed some concern for our safety.” The police were indignant and smeared the hostages as emotionally unstable and brainwashed by the robbers.
“Stockholm Syndrome” might have been forgotten as baseless slander but a couple of years later the Patty Hearst trial was all over the media and defense lawyer F. Lee Bailey (whom you might remember from the OJ Simpson trial) tried to use a “brainwashing” defense for Hearst, who had actively participated in crimes committed by her kidnappers. The defense failed, but the “syndrome” was implanted in the public consciousness.
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@i-am-insane There are so many reasons I want to be shrunk but here are a few.
I think plants and furniture look extremely fascinating when you are shrunk and they look really big from your perspective. It makes you feel as if you are in a magical forest. I also like it because there is more objects to hide under, and having spaces where nobody can find you creates a sense of peace for me. I am really self conscious so being small makes smaller details of you and smells really hard to make out, which makes me feel a sense of comfort.I guess when it comes to danger when being shrunk, I would much rather feel fear as a shrunken person faced with danger than to become gigantic and feel the pain of embarrassment and awkwardness of having my body stand out for everyone to see. I also just really don’t like the thought of people being intimidated of me for my size and would rather be tiny to appear less intimidating. Emotional pain is too much for me and I have a major limit, dying from extreme physical pain seems better to me because at least the pain would be over. And I heard large wounds hurt less than minor wounds because of the loss of neurons.
I am sorry giantess fans, but you made the thought of growing even worse for me with all the art sexualizing them and you being horny towards them.I guess we are just completely different people overall, I don’t understand why some people want to be enormous and you don’t understand why some people want to be shrunk.
My size may be small, but my will is bigger than y’all
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@i-am-insane I’m glad you brought up Monster Fuckers. It’s an almost mainstream kink among women. I’m a monster fucker too.
My pet theory is that many women who feel a similar subby fantasy attraction that male giantess fans feel, bring that fantasy into monster fucking instead of human macrophilia, for whatever reason. (Maybe because they come across tall men a lot in real life so they find that not particularly exotic? And these tall men were shitty or just mediocre partners? Just spitballing).
I think that if someone made a site or a convention for both mf and macro, and it got popular, you might find a big overlap between macrophile men and monsterfucker women.
Unfortunately most of the people at this theoretical convention would be subs in search of doms, but that seems like a universal trait of kink communities.
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So, I think you’re saying the main reason that more women aren’t macrophiliacs is, ultimatly, because… they aren’t imagining a giant man, and instead just picture a tall guy or something? Huh.
…There’s a story idea there, I think. Beyond that, not vampires, but I’m pretty sure a lot of werewolve style stories have big, looming guys, so there is that.
Power is choice.
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Huh. That’s the second time someone’s linked shrinking with safety. I’m not sure what to think of that, but there’s definitely something there. And you want to explore things while small? Interesting.
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@tiny-ivy said:
@i-am-insane Maybe because they come across tall men a lot in real life so they find that not particularly exotic? And these tall men were shitty or just mediocre partners? Just spitballing).
Spitballing just as much, perhaps they’ve mostly encountered tall men irl who don’t “deserve” their height, who fall short (heh) in other ways, say, by being conceited or taking their advantages for granted. Whereas monsters typically don’t take any affection for granted (they have other issues).
